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A final salary pension that is way in excess of what the tax payer can afford and no longer offered by virtually any private sector company and if I don't get it I reserve the right to bring the country to a standstill :wall:
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Whilst not able to strike, which I wouldn't do ever anyway, some of us do jobs that shorten your life, bugger it up whilst you have it and we're required to do things the poor "private sector" won't/can't do. Plus, job for job, the private sector get paid more and the private sector continue to get pay rises!

Not starting an argument, and not agreeing with strike action, just there's several sides to each argument.

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Hi Mate,

In 2008 when the proverbial hit the fan, the private sector had mass job losses, pay freezes and pay cuts. The private sector has largely phased out final salary pensions. In these times of austerity everyone has to do their bit. The fact that the public sector has got away largely scot free for 3 years, plus the fact that UK Ltd's income is substanialy reduced makes it a hard pill to swallow when some feel that they should continue to have an unsustainable final salary pension, that everyone will have to prop up. I know this is an immotive thing for many of us, but there are much more deserving cases for use of the governments money than proping up a public sector pension fund which far surpases what most of the rest of us will have access to.
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Ben Watson wrote:Hi Mate,

In 2008 when the proverbial hit the fan, the private sector had mass job losses, pay freezes and pay cuts. The private sector has largely phased out final salary pensions. In these times of austerity everyone has to do their bit. The fact that the public sector has got away largely scot free for 3 years, plus the fact that UK Ltd's income is substanialy reduced makes it a hard pill to swallow when some feel that they should continue to have an unsustainable final salary pension, that everyone will have to prop up. I know this is an immotive thing for many of us, but there are much more deserving cases for use of the governments money than proping up a public sector pension fund which far surpases what most of the rest of us will have access to.

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The public's memory is very short.

I recall that millions of private sector and many public sector workers were made redundant in the period 1978-1990. Those men and women, especially those over the age of 40 not only lost their jobs (invisible earnings was all the rage then) but many were never employed ever again. Ageism had set in with a vengeance. Those people not only lost their livelihood, many lost their self respect not to mention their pensions. They were never ever able to recover. The skills those people had have vanished yet today we desparately need plumbers, painters, engineers and electrical engineers yet for years this country has seen fit to reduce such training to almost zero.

I find it incredible that many young people below the age of 40 today seem to have their minds on their pensions rather than concentrating on their jobs. A twenty something year old was on TV today grumbling that his pay and conditions and benefits 40 years in the future were going to be altered. These people are living in make-believe land!

Of course the historical answer when there was no work here (UK) was to emigrate to the USA or what are now called Comonwealth countries, but many of those destinations debar new people unless they can show they have a skill needed by that country. A very sensible measure which leaves many from the UK unable to emigrate.

We have too many people in this country today and not enough jobs or resources for those that are here. An island with no ship building or fishing industries or mercantile marine - it is ridiculous. Most infrastructure is foreign owned and our raw material and production capacity is not large enough to support the existing population. Somehow we have to make enough time to regain the ability to produce products that other nations need to buy, until then we are just going to have to 'tough it out.' The holiday and tourism industries are not the answer, a lot of foreign visitors already say that the UK is far too expensive and have chosen to go elsewhere.

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No doubt the grass seems greener the other side - just remember the private sector has been bought up/closed down by morally destitute low life private equity financier scum and the grass is a coat of paint over cheap quick set cement troweled over the bones of trampled staff. (Guess what I work for?)

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PaulC wrote:... some of us do jobs that shorten your life, bugger it up whilst you have it and we're required to do things the poor "private sector" won't/can't do. Plus, job for job, the private sector get paid more and the private sector continue to get pay rises!...
Likewise, quoted for the truth.

I aren't getting morose, but I've lost three colleagues in the past few years doing their job and was present at one of those incidents. Everyone should be treated fairly, public or private sector.

I personally come to this forum and site to get away from the crap of the current world, I assume all of us do the same.

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Course we are mate. We're all screwed by politicians! :lol:
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We're all screwed by politicians!
I really HAD to quote that ;)

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DaveB wrote:
We're all screwed by politicians!
I really HAD to quote that ;)

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Gents, I have no pension apart from what the state will provide based on my contributions during my working life....so, I work till I drop :lol:

I'm 55 years old, it isn't going to get any better...unless I meet a rich widow, I live in hope :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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