Paint Kit for ARNZ BAe 146-200 -- GUESS HOW MANY RIVETS?

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HOW MANY RIVETS ?

Poll ended at 08 Oct 2005, 19:25

Less than 500
0
No votes
Between 501 and 999
0
No votes
Between 1000 and 2499
2
13%
More than 2500
4
27%
WHO KNOWS
9
60%
 
Total votes: 15

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Post by TobyV »

There are some rivets and in the photos I have of construction, you can clearly see a lot of rivets in the nose section and the book describes further rivetting around the "keel" area. The rest of the construction uses stringers redux bonded to the skin. It goes on to say that BAe estimated that by using integrally machined parts and and redux bonding, it uses 120,000 fewer fastners (which I take as meaning rivets!) than would have otherwise been the case :smile:

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I thought it was just me that had not ever seen rivets on a 146. :-?

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TobyVickers wrote:Sorry to point this out but the 146 uses redux bonding :wink:
So it's glued? :roll: :lol:

The Friendship was bonded and I read years ago that that was the first to make extensive use of the system.

A few area were riveted but the main continuous sections were bonded.

Heavy use of rivets went out with the Ark.

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de Havilland were the pioneers of redux bonding, the first aircraft to extensively use it being the Dove. I'm not sure about the Comet but certainly the Trident and 146 both used it. No idea about the Fokker.

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VEGAS wrote:Looks like something the A-Team put together!!... :grin:
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Garry wrote:Heavy use of rivets went out with the Ark
I think you meant to say "Heavy use of rivets went out with the Shack"

:lol:

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TobyVickers wrote:
Garry wrote:Heavy use of rivets went out with the Ark
I think you meant to say "Heavy use of rivets went out with the Shack"

:lol:

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At least those rivets are still flying.............. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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andy wrote:
TobyVickers wrote:
Garry wrote:Heavy use of rivets went out with the Ark
I think you meant to say "Heavy use of rivets went out with the Shack"

:lol:

Toby
At least those rivets are still flying.............. :lol: :lol: :lol:
In close formation :lol:

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Post by Nick »

de Havilland were the pioneers of redux bonding, the first aircraft to extensively use it being the Dove. I'm not sure about the Comet but certainly the Trident and 146 both used it. No idea about the Fokker.
The Comet was bonded together. It was the first use of redux on such a large aircraft, and it was done to keep the weight down so the weedy ghost engines could actually lift it in the air!

Failure of the redux glue was what many thought caused the Comet crashes before the fatigue theory was proven.

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The redux adhesive is called Thiokol IIRC.

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