VC10 and SVC10 'mods' and operating info

Post by **RAF_Quantum** » 15 Nov 2006, 20:45

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The VC10 and SVC10 have an amount of 'unuseable' fuel which will always remain in the tanks. Engines will flame out when fuel gets to approx 2100kgs.

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Rgds

John

Post by **DaveB** » 10 Dec 2006, 22:22

Hi John,

I was going to ask if this applied to the 'standard' as I picked up AVRB with a paltry 1879kg onboard at LHR

It's not particularly helpful to the next pilot in line if they're left with nowt in (and I don't know how this one made it down without flaming out!) hence my flight to Frankfurt didn't make anything near what it should have due to the safety margin having to be added again!! :tuttut: Ben and I leave the Tridents with at least 3k onboard so to find this little in a VC10 came as a bit of a shock. I know.. I should have checked beforehand but I dread to think now what the other one has in it!!

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Post by **MALTBY D** » 10 Dec 2006, 23:39

That would be Ben that ran low in ARVB. The stats hold all the evidence. Way back in June this one.
I do remember him telling us how he lost a couple of engines on approach to LHR once & I bet that was it.

This was back in the days before we'd realised that the VC10 had this nasty trick for shorter routes. Standard & Super do run out of gas just the same.

My first VC10 flight with the va was Heathrow to Manchester, expected fuel burn of 3000kg.
Needless to say, I was doomed from the start.

It all started coming back to me as each engine packed up in turn before Birmingham.

DM

Post by **DaveB** » 10 Dec 2006, 23:58

I'll never believe anything that man says to me ever again!!

Tks for sorting out TWO queries in one go

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Post by **TSR2** » 11 Dec 2006, 01:37

Guilty your honour.

AS DM says I ended up gliding the last few 100 feet... I was on MSN to John at the time on the laptop when everything went quiet on the flying PC... oops!

blanston12 · Post by **blanston12** » 11 Dec 2006, 17:34

I have hit this problem twice while doing flynet flights. Curiously, both occurrences I was about 6-8 miles out on final approach. Bad fuel planning on my part.

Post by **DaveB** » 11 Dec 2006, 21:18

I know the feeling Joe. I've started running the standards from LHR to Frankfurt (boring as they're all night flights) and I thought I'd got it on the button when I changed from ASIX to ARVM and ended up with more fuel than I bargained for. On the strength of the ARVM flight (the return leg), I did the second return using the same block and ended up with close on 500kg less than expected :shock:
Having just checked weights.. the 1103's are marginally heavier than the 1101's.. something I'd not expected

I know now though

ATB

DaveB :tab:

DanKH · Post by **DanKH** » 12 Dec 2006, 08:21

Just use Tonks old rule of thumb, and start off with approx 5000 kg in the tanks, there from add 6000 kg pr hour....have 7000 kg in for div that should suffice.

So a 3 hour flight:

3x6000kg=18000kg+5000kg+7000kg=30000kg "and then some"= 35000kg

there you go.

You'll never run out off fuel again.

DanKH · Post by **DanKH** » 01 Jan 2007, 22:15

I see your thumbs has enlarged?

Btw. I forgot the div in my first post... ;-)