More complete madness

Nigel H-J · Post by **Nigel H-J** » 06 Jan 2007, 16:32

Situations like this are absurd, the police rely on members of the public to come forward and assist with information regarding all types of crimes that are committed daily and without this type of assistance, it would make their job that much harder in gaining the vital information regarding an offence be it a robbery, criminal damage or assault in order to bring the offenders to book.

It is only through these independant eye witness accounts, from ordinary members of the public, that enable officers to move forward in their fight against crime and put the offenders where they belong (depends on the judiciary really, but that's another moan). It is not in the best interest to use the Human Rights as a shield to protect criminals, especially dangerous ones.

If the police want to catch escaped prisoners then they must put their trust in members of the public as they have done in the past to catch wanted persons. It's as simple as that!!

Rant over, back to normality.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 06 Jan 2007, 16:36

I would have thought since they were still in prison their human rights in cases of publicity are void.

The only reason it is necessary to publish is due to actions of the individuals who have escaped.

Garry

soggy · Post by **soggy** » 06 Jan 2007, 16:44

The crime these two commited was about a mile away from where i live,they basically dropped a paving slab on some poor sods head,when he had the balls to argue with them,both are well known as trouble causers,no doubt if they turn up round here someone will shop them to the police.

According to the BBC they are now releasing the photo's.

One quick thing,Why are these pair of scrotes in an open prison/due to be released soon,when the murder was only about 8 years ago?? What kind of life sentence is that?

Pete.

Nigel H-J · Post by **Nigel H-J** » 06 Jan 2007, 20:45

One quick thing,Why are these pair of scrotes in an open prison/due to be released soon,when the murder was only about 8 years ago?? What kind of life sentence is that?

Unfortunately Pete, I don't think that any-one with any reasonable amount of intelligence can give an answer to that but..................!!

Once-upon-a-time, during the last century when people were primative, any-one who committed an offence be it murder, rape or GBH were put in old fashioned buildings that were equipped with the basic commodoties of life such as a bed with a hard mattress, an itchy blanket to keep the cold at bay during the long dark nights, they even had en-suite facilities, called......................Slop Buckets.

They were there for many years, sent by an Agency who took into account of their dastardly deeds and ensured that the sentences were appropriate to the crimes they committed.

But now................!! Sorry, can't bring myself to go on, it just makes me angryyyyyy!! :curse:

thehappyotter · Post by **thehappyotter** » 06 Jan 2007, 20:58

The average life sentance is, if I remember correctly, 7 years.

They got a tough & long stretch... :roll:

d0mokun · Post by **d0mokun** » 06 Jan 2007, 21:03

thehappyotter wrote:The average life sentance is, if I remember correctly, 7 years.

7 years? Do we base the term 'life sentence' on the life expectancy of a frog or something?

Merit where merit is due for the Police sorting the issue out.. but surely there shouldn't have been an issue in the first place..

Dan.

Post by **DaveB** » 06 Jan 2007, 21:22

I believe its actually 15years but many end up with 7 (as an average) due to time served in custody e t c while cases are being done in court.. plus of course, there's always becoming a 'Model Prisoner' which helps!!

Truth is, in many of these cases.. the people in the know, eg. the prison service and probabation service are absolutely powerless to keep dangerous folk inside irrespective of how they've been while in custody. Once the term is served.. that's it, out you go!!

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 07 Jan 2007, 00:20

Wow... that's sad. In the US, it's at minimum 25 years before one can apply for parole for 1st Degree (pre-meditated) Murder. For 2nd Degree (non-premeditated/crimes of passion) Murder, one has to serve between 15 and 25 years before being eligible for parole. In all cases, anyone given a life sentence who is paroled will be on parole for life. This means that if they're arrested for any reason, they will be sent back to jail and their eligibility revoked.

In recent years the number of consecutive (one after the other) and parole ineligible sentences handed out by the courts seems to have gone up so many of those convicted have no chance of ever seeing the outside of a prison again anyway.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 07 Jan 2007, 01:37

Same in the UK Chris

Parole is for life meaning 99 years but they don't seem a strict about hauling them back in as they do in the US.

Parole violation seems to be a big thing in the US but a minor incident in the UK.

And this is often the trouble in the UK.....things happen and demands are made for new laws only to find out they were already they but not being used to the full.

Often that is simply because the enforcers don't get the backing further up the chain

Garry

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 07 Jan 2007, 05:12

Well, failure to enforce existing laws is a big issue here in the US as well. Hell, if we enforced half of the immigration laws, we wouldn't be talking about having 12+ Million Illegal Immigrants in our country right now and having to deal with it. We wouldn't have a lot of other things too because a lot of outdated (as in REALLY outdated) laws haven't been removed from the books either so if we started enforcing all of the laws we'd have some wierd restrictions on what we can do every day.

I think most major countries, states/provinces, counties, and cities need to take a year or two off passing new laws and review what's already on the books and remove those that are outdated or unenforcable. It won't happen, but I can dream.