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[Garry Russell]

Bit strange that seller - if you look at his feedback comments from buyers, you can see what he usually sells :think:

Edit:

for example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... gory=23845

I saw that. He's gone from baseball cards to 1-11's. How strange..!

But a least being a BRITISH classic it's a step up.

Garry

[Vixus]

How about we start a CBFS lottery syndicate?

[cstorey]

For those of us who are even more antique than the 1-11,and whose flying experience was with steam radio, , what please is RVSM?

Chris ( 1945 to just about now or a little more I hope)

[RAF_Quantum]

For those of us who are even more antique than the 1-11,and whose flying experience was with steam radio, , what please is RVSM?

Chris ( 1945 to just about now or a little more I hope)

Hi Chris,

From Wikipedia

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimums

Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum or RVSM reduces the vertical separation above FL 290 from 2000 ft. to 1000 ft. This allows aircraft to safely fly more optimum routes, gain fuel savings and increase airspace capacity by adding six new flight levels. Only aircraft that have been certified to meet RVSM standards, with several exclusions, are allowed to fly in RVSM airspace. RVSM went into effect in Europe between FL 290 and FL 410 on January 24, 2002. The United States, Canada and Mexico transitioned to RVSM between FL 290 and FL 410 on January 20, 2005.

Track 000 to 179° - odd thousands (FL 290, 310, 330, etc.)
Track 180 to 359° - even thousands (FL 300, 320, 340, etc.)
At FL 410 and above, 4000 ft. intervals are resumed to separate same-direction aircraft and only odd Flight Levels are assigned, depending on the direction of flight:

Track 000 to 179° - odd flight levels (FL 410, 450, 490, etc.)
Track 180 to 359° - odd flight levels (FL 430, 470, 510, etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_level

Rgds

John

[Avant-Garde-Aclue]

And there I was, thinking it was nothing more than another AFLA, cheers John

Regards

Sean

[Motormouse]

If you think about it, you'll see that a non-RVSM aircraft actually occupies 3 flight levels instead of one. Take, for example, an non-RVSM flight at FL330 - because of the need to provide it with 2000ft separation, FLs 320 and 340 will also sterilised (unusable) within its vicinity and since it's moving, it acts just like a rolling roadblock. Any time there's anything opposite direction or on a crossing track at 320 or 340, we have to radar vector them clear or climb or descend them to provide the required separation. On a busy airways sector, this raises the workload to an unacceptably high level, especially for one aircraft!

We did try to accommodate non-RVSM traffic in the early days but these days, 90% of the time, the answer to a request for a non-RVSM compliant aircraft to enter RVSM airspace is "no".

Pete

Thanks for that, it goes a long way to explaining why the ops guys (transatlantic types insert dispatcher here ) at work
go ballistic when we tell 'em a plane 's RVSM status is downgraded 'cos a bit of necessary kit has gone u/s , even though MEL allows said plane to be flown 'non-rvsm'.

ttfn

Pete

[DispatchDragon]

Peter
Here we refer to them as "Yellow Pages" as any RVSM restrictive MEL
is coloured yellow - since the introduction of RVSM with the lower 48
those pages are avoided like the plague - specially on the west coast where FL280 or below equals drift down problems for the Maddog so there are a lot of places in the Rockies we cant cross

Leif

[PeteP]

You're welcome, Pete and thanks to you and Leif for putting the view from the other side.
Best
PP

[TobyV]

Back on topic, it seems the auction has been pulled by ebay.

[Garry Russell]

They're back


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-BAC-1- ... dZViewItem

Garry