Fuel Question

[simondix]

Hi Nigel

Well.. this was reality on a lot of flights as you know. How they'd include it in FSA is another matter. We have the ability to declare an emergency now and can use this as a form of tech stop though to be honest, it doesn't ring my bells. Since Simon brought up the subject of the Trident, a more fundamental problem has come to light in that we may have inadvertantly pushed the T3 beyond it's usual operating range.. the Ben Gurion run being one such route. Before the routes were amalgamated (during the BEA/BOAC formation into BA) the T2's had their own routes as did the T3's and the feeling now is that this run in particular is in fact an old T2 route. I know for a fact that all the long range testing I did for the FS8 T2 was to BG but noting that the T3 was higher density, shorter range it makes sense for the T3 NOT to go there.

Surprising what an innocent question can throw up ;-) The easiest answer may be to revisit the T3's route structure and make sure that any flights above a certain range are either left solely for the T2's or maybe removed where appropriate. We have a reasonably detailed idea of what Peter flew over his years on the T3 so it shouldn't be too difficult to weed out what shouldn't be there. ;-)

ATB

Innocent until proved guilty.

Dave,

Sent you a PM on the FS Airlines system. Sorted my Boeing problem out.

John,

Likewise.

Above is not in any specific order.



DaveB :tab:

[Nigel H-J]

Not so much with the Tridents but certainly with the 1-11s' and prop-liners I always prefer to do a bus stop route, i.e. Heathrow to Dyce, stop at Manchester en-route and same on return. Makes it more interesting although probably not as efficient, but like to be different!! :roll:

The 1-11 I believe was used very much in this way and proved quite popular with airlines running a milk round?

Regards
Nigel.

[Garry Russell]

The One-Eleven was built to make short frequent stops and was at the time called "The Bust Stop Jet".....

It was used in the US as such but not so much in the UK.

Garry

[Nigel H-J]

Well Garry, it appears I'm making amends on behalf of the British Airlines who never took up the window of opportunity!!

Regards
Nigel.

[Garry Russell]

Indeed Nigel

And when I was much younger and they were new I couldn't understand why they flew over without landing.

Perhaps I should have stood outside with my arm out :think:

BTW.............not to be confused with the DC 10 which was "The Bust Up Jet" :roll:

Garry

[DaveB]

Hi Guy's

From information Peter has furnished from his T3 log, it may well be that we have 7 T3 flights currently on the system that may not be viable and will have to be reviewed. These are to the following destinations..
Nicosia LCNC - 1745nm
Ben Gurion LLBG - 1937nm
Beirut OLBA - 1878nm
Moscow UUDD - 1373nm
Rodos LGRP - 1513nm
Athens LGAV - 1309nm
Ataturk LTBA - 1356nm

The distances offered are point-to-point and as such do not reflect routing.

Any thoughts John?? :think:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[RAF_Quantum]

Hi Dave,

I'm sure the destinations would have been correct from our research, although possibly any tech-stops and whether it was a T2 or T3 may not have been clear. I'd be happy to put these with a tech stop and also probably onto the T2. We could shift a couple of T2's to EGLL if needed. I wonder if anyone has any BEA timetables which might show more info?

Regards

John

[DaveB]

Hi John

Yes indeed.. a BEA Timetable would be most desirable.. now WHO's GOT ONE

I flagged the flights above for review on the strength of Peter saying that it was possible on occasion to need a tech stop from Salonika in the T3 if unfavourable temps were active and this is listed as being 1169nm point to point :o Three of the above fall a few hunderd nm above that distance, one a couple of hundred nm further and the remaining 3 well in excess of this. As per, there are a lot of variables.. many unknown to take into consideration but we can only flog the old girl so hard ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[RAF_Quantum]

Hi Dave,

The option is always there for a tech stop if we wanted to carry the all pax, just load less fuel knowing you will need to hit the 'emergency' button and stop somewhere for fuel. It will of course generate less revenue than a proper scheduled route stop. I think a proper review is needed and hopefully someone may pop in with a timetable.

Regards

John

[DaveB]

Yes.. and with luck, sometime in the next 7 days ;-)

Just realised my flight hasn't expired and it's over 24hrs now :o Does this still apply on the new client??

ATB

DaveB :tab: