Terminology change

[Garry Russell]

I always associate vacated with the toliet becomming free

[PeteP]

The one I dislike the most is "Runway Vacated" instead of the old "Clear"

Yes,that was one of the first to go in the 1980s changes. The word "clear" is now reserved exclusively for specific clearances such as "clear take-off", to remove the possibility, albeit small, of a misunderstanding. Incidentally, the word "take-off" was also removed from general use and reserved exclusively for use in the take-off clearance for the same reason. In all other contexts, it's now referred to as "departure" such as "after departure, fly heading 265" to avoid any possibility of it implying a clearance to take-off.

Modern RT phraseology, especially that associated with aerodromes, is a very different animal from the one you and I used in our younger days. Towards the end, I was having trouble keeping up with all the latest edicts about what could and couldn't be said just in case...! The latest one about what has to be said when clearing an aircraft to climb above a SID altitude whilst it's still within its lateral limits is a masterpiece of over-complication and arse covering.

[Effoh]

My favourite used to be ....

'interrogative roger your last'


also known as............

'say again'

[DispatchDragon]

Still like McCarrans tower slightly mixed procedural vocabulary

"Allegiant 538 line up Runway 25R - cleared for takeoff - follow your company traffic on the STAAV"

NOT ICAO or anything else -- but hear it all the time

The logic of "position and hold" going away - is that it conflicts with "Allegiant 538 hold position short of 25R - cleared to cross after the departing 737"


make sense?


Leif

[Nigel H-J]

Agree with Peter regarding the use of 'clear' as I am sure when in the RAF the pilots and indeed when I flew P2 on light a/c, used the term 'clear active' after turning off the runway.

Regards
Nigel.

[Chris Trott]

One thing to remember in all of this - all of this phraseology only affects ATC. Pilot's are still free to cock it up as much as they like.