Classic British Flight Sim

Hi Guy's..

An interesting conundrum this has thrown up! We certainly have enough airframes in just about every category to nominate 1 as a training aircraft but if we write yet more rules to stipulate which one it's going to be in each category, there's no guarantee that a different aircraft won't be used. We also have an ongoing problem of pilots leaving the VA for whatever reason and aircraft being left off station without a pilot. Those aircraft could well be training aircraft (should they be nominated) which wouldn't help the situation.
Personally, I can't see any good reason to ask for a TR then change aircraft but perhaps that's just me. I presume EDDL - EGCC must be one of the training flights (can't think off the top of my head so I'll check) but if it is, you have to get out there in the first place and not start there as all of our training flights originate in the UK. I also can't remember (god.. isn't poor memory a bind!) where Colin started. It's logical that he could have started at EGCC with AXJK then brought the wrong aircraft back but.. he must have been aware of the rule about not taking an off station aircraft even if he didn't know AVMR should have been left at EDDL. If Colin ended up at EDDL (it will be difficult to tell with him not here).. he should logically have ended up there with AVMR not AXJK.. that is, unless he left another aircraft off station there!

Right.. back to work.. this is too hard

EDIT:
You know what.. I'm not even sure if it should be AVMR now. I've looked at the flights for too long and have lost the plot One more thing about training aircraft though. It would be possible (though a lot of work) to specify training aircraft for training routes by making a flight available for only one airframe. However, there is no way to stop that aircraft being used on 'full rating' flights should a pilot wish to take it. There are just too many 'live' flights and too many aircraft to make an aircraft from each category not available for full rate flights

ATB

DaveB

I guess that, in reality, whatever you do is never going to work all the time as you just don't know what the pilots will do

Never mind

Maybe we should sorti all training flights from one main base? ,
or..
What we want is an Ops controller...

Then again..O shut up Robbie...

What we want is whatneys

Hello Mate

Yup.. that's just about the bottom-line If we had 'few' aircraft and 'few' routes, it would be a lot easier to police but we don't have 'few' of either which complicates things. We try and keep 'rules' to a minimum and 'expect' pilots to be predictable and for the most part, it works ok but this sort of thing is always going to happen in an organisation the size of ours with only those regulations in force. The only way around it is to have a nominated aircraft with a specified homebase to cover the nominated routes.. much as we have with the PIA, Chinese and Cyprus Tridents. Those fleets are specific to those areas and for the majority.. there is no crossover. This is open to some abuse/misuse (Cyprus in particular) but by and large.. pilots know where they are, who's routes they're flying and where the homebases are and keep within that remit

Robbie.. you jumped in there as I was thinking my way through my post Yes.. I guess a training base with one of each of our active types based there would be a reasonable way to go but sometimes, things don't go quite how you plan. Something to consider for the future but while it would stop the use of incorrect aircraft on training flights.. those flights would have to be different from any other for that type in order to stop other pilots picking up the wrong aircraft or the cycle starts again.

I'm really glad I don't have to do this for a living

ATB

DaveB

'MH's back home seems I opened quite a can of worms

Tks for that Nige. Yes.. something simple like this can suddenly build a momentum all of it's own leaving you wondering how to stop it! I'm sure DM will want a replacement BEA S111 back at EDDL at some point (it's not as if we're short of airframes) and I for one have found it handy in the past. Fly out to Duss in say a York.. pick the S111 up for a few German domestics then take the York back home. Add's a nice bit of variety

ATB

DaveB

Hi Dave,
As you say, most of us enjoy a little veriety occasionaly, the last time you posted "A/C off station", everyone jumped in to get them back, seems to create a kind of team spirit.
We should do it more often!!.

Robbie.

Dave,

Let me know if you want any specific 510 out there and I'll take it out and bring JK back.

Nige

Hi Nige

Rgr that mate and thks I guess I could nominate one but I'll leave that for DM as they're his babies

ATB

DaveB

Nige, can you take AVMT out to EDDL from EGLL. Thanks.

I can't remember why we had one at EDDL in particular, rather than EDDI. The German routes radiate out from EDDI.
Anyway, no matter, I'm happy for one to stay at EDDL, but I've also decided to now add EDDI as a base for any 510.

While checking up on the 510s I found that AVMW & AVMX must have had the wrong bases set for ages.
So after correction, AVMW is flagged up as off base at EGKK and AVMX at EGSS. Neither get used much, so they may as well go live at EDDI for a while.
I'm going to take AVMW to EDDI, probably via EIDW & EGLL.
Anyone want to get AVMX over to EDDI? You have to work out how to get it there.

DM