Classic British Flight Sim

I agree with the other comments regarding HJG´s 727. Just fantastic

I have also been considering buying CS´s 727 for FS9. But CS does not offer any support for their FS9 products, if you are using Windows 7, only if you are using XP. A big mistake I think, as FS9 just seem not to die, and I´m sure that it will be around for many years still.

BR,
Anders

Anders Nielsen wrote:
I have also been considering buying CS´s 727 for FS9. But CS does not offer any support for their FS9 products, if you are using Windows 7, only if you are using XP. A big mistake I think, as FS9 just seem not to die, and I´m sure that it will be around for many years still.

BR,
Anders

Works just fine in win7, just make sure you're running fs9 in compatibility mode and you have admin rights

Ttfn
Pete

Motormouse wrote:

Anders Nielsen wrote:
I have also been considering buying CS´s 727 for FS9. But CS does not offer any support for their FS9 products, if you are using Windows 7, only if you are using XP. A big mistake I think, as FS9 just seem not to die, and I´m sure that it will be around for many years still.

BR,
Anders

Works just fine in win7, just make sure you're running fs9 in compatibility mode and you have admin rights

Ttfn
Pete

Hi Pete,

Thank you for the answer. Sounds good.
Do you know if their Legendary 707 works equally well in Windows 7?

BR,
Anders

Have that one too. No probs.
It's only the older models, yak and L39, and for some reason the 2 seat f104, that don't go well in win7

Pete

Unless you are REALLY desperate to have the functioning Second Officer station, I would stay with the HJG three holer. It is the best freeware available.

Thank you for the input.

As both the Legendary 707 and 727 now can be had for 10 Euro´s, I think I will give them a try.

BR,
Anders

speedbird591 wrote:I seem to remember having trouble finding a decent panel.

The panel I always used when I was flyng Eric's bird was Ken Mitchell's version. If you search Flightsim.com for ken mitchell 727 you 'll find the original and two updates from Steve Southey.

Same here,I always seem to have grief getting HJG's stuff to play ball.

Their 727 just doesn't show in Fs9 at all(yes'I /dl'ed the correct base pack and two Dan Air paints for it).

If someone could just have a shufty at the config file for me I'd appreciate it:


//727-100 LATE

[fltsim.0]
title=Vistaliners Boeing 727-100 DAN-Air London 1976
sim=B727100_VL
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=dan-air_london_1976_046_g-bdan
atc_id=G-BDAN
atc_parking_codes=AES
atc_heavy=0
atc_flight_number=721
atc_airline=DAN_AIR
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=727-100
ui_variation=DAN-Air London (1976)
description=One of the most successful commercial jet airliners ever designed. Production totaled 1,831 aircraft between 1963 and 1984. \n\n Paint by Ben HARTMANN
visual_damage=1
atc_id_color=0x00000000
atc_id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0
id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0



[fltsim.1]
title=Vistaliners Boeing 727-100 Dan Air London G-BAJW 1984
sim=B727200A_VL
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=GBAJW
atc_id=G-BAJW
atc_heavy=0
atc_flight_number=721
atc_airline=Eastern
atc_parking_codes=
ui_manufacturer=Boeing
ui_type=727-100
ui_variation=Dan Air London G-BAJW 1984
description=One of the most successful commercial jet airliners ever designed. Production totaled 1,831 aircraft between 1963 and 1984. \n\n Paint by Ben Hartmann
visual_damage=1
atc_id_color=0x00000000
atc_id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0
id_font=Verdana,-11,1,600,0

Ben Hartmann

[email protected]
//Add your [fltsim.xx] sections here.
//Remember to start with 0 (zero).
//Copyright Historic Jetliners Group. No uploading to any website without prior approval.
//April 2009



[General]
performance=Length: 40.59 m (133 ft 2 in)\nWing span: 32.92 m (108 ft)\nMGTOW: 76,655 kg (169,000 lb)\nPower: (3) P&W JT8D-9 @ 6,577 kg (14,500 lb) each\nPassengers: 131\n\Payload: 16,300 kg (35,800 lb)\nRange: 3,058 km (1,900 nm)\nOriginal Design: Eric Cantu\nVistaliners\n
atc_type=BOEING AIRCRAFT
atc_model=B721
editable=0

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar=1.000
pitch_stability=1.000
roll_stability=1.000
yaw_stability=1.000
parasite_drag_scalar=1.000
induced_drag_scalar=1.000
elevator_effectiveness=1.000
aileron_effectiveness=1.000
rudder_effectiveness=1.000
elevator_trim_effectiveness=0.500
aileron_trim_effectiveness=1.000
rudder_trim_effectiveness=1.000

[jet_engine]
thrust_scalar=1.0

[weight_and_balance]
// ACM V2.5
max_gross_weight = 169000
empty_weight = 87600
reference_datum_position = 0, 0, 0
empty_weight_CG_position = 5.5, 0, 0
empty_weight_pitch_MOI = 4240760
empty_weight_roll_MOI = 1179097
empty_weight_yaw_MOI = 4957925
empty_weight_coupled_MOI = 0
max_number_of_stations = 10

station_load.0 = "510, 50, 0, 4, Flight Crew"
station_load.1 = "2720, 34.7, 0.0, 4.0, 1st Class 16 Pax"
station_load.2 = "1860, 17.4, 0.0, 4.0, Econ A 18 Pax"
station_load.3 = "6120, 3.0, 0.0, 4.0, Econ B 36 pax"
station_load.4 = "6120, -14.3, 0.0, 4.0, Econ C 36 Pax"
station_load.5 = "5850, 24.60, 0, 0, Fwd Cargo"
station_load.6 = "6980, -20.20, 0, 0, Aft Cargo"


[lights]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=flight deck, 5=landing
light.0 = 3, -76.00, 0.00, 24.60, fx_navwhi ,
light.1 = 2, -76.00, 0.00, 24.60, fx_strobe ,
light.2 = 4, 63.10, -1.80, 6.35, fx_vclight ,
light.3 = 4, 63.10, 1.80, 6.35, fx_vclight ,
light.4 = 1, 8.00, 0.00, -3.50, fx_beaconb ,
light.5 = 1, 37.70, 0.00, 11.80, fx_beaconh ,


[GeneralEngineData]

//0=Piston, 1=Jet, 2=None, 3=Helo-Turbine, 4=Rocket, 5=Turboprop
engine_type = 1
fuel_flow_scalar = 1.21
min_throttle_limit = -0.499939
engine.0 = -35.00, -9.30, 5.00
engine.1 = -54.50, 0.00, 5.60
engine.2 = -35.00, 9.30, 5.00

[smokesystem]
smoke.0 = 5.00, -37.00, -9.30, fx_hjg_b707.fx
smoke.1 = 5.60, -56.50, 0.00, fx_hjg_b707.fx
smoke.2 = 5.00, -37.00, 9.30, fx_hjg_b707.fx


[effects]
wake = fx_wake
water = fx_spray
dirt = fx_tchdrt
concrete = fx_sparks
touchdown = fx_tchdwn, 1
windshield_rain_effect_available = 1

[fuel]

//Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)

fuel_type = 2
number_of_tank_selectors = 1
electric_pump = 0

Center1 = 5.088, 0, -1.5, 5290, 30
LeftMain = -1.579, -25, -0.2, 1644, 28
RightMain = -1.579, 25, -0.2, 1644, 28


[contact_points]
static_pitch = -0.6
static_cg_height = 8.1
tailwheel_lock = 0
gear_system_type = 1
max_number_of_points = 8

point.0 = 1, 54.65, 0.0, -7.55, 1181.100, 0, 1.50, 40, 0.9, 1.80, 0.8, 4.2, 4.2, 0, 200, 280
point.1 = 1, -2.55, -9.33, -8.10, 1574.803, 1, 2.18, 0, 0.4, 1.50, 0.6, 6.9, 6.9, 2, 200, 280
point.2 = 1, -2.55, 9.33, -8.10, 1574.803, 2, 2.18, 0, 0.4, 1.50, 0.6, 7.2, 7.2, 3, 200, 280
point.3 = 2.000, -23.900, -55.850, -0.583, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 5.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.4 = 2.000, -23.900, 55.850, -0.583, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.5 = 2, 62.7237, 0, -2.3776, 1574.803, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
point.6 = 2.000, -81.000, 0.000, 23.800, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.7 = 2.000, -30.250, 0.000, -3.150, 1574.803, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000



[keyboard_response]
elevator = 100.000000, 160.000000
aileron = 100.000000, 160.000000
rudder = 100.000000, 160.000000


[forcefeedback]
gear_bump_nose_magnitude = 6000
gear_bump_nose_direction = 18000
gear_bump_nose_duration = 250000
gear_bump_left_magnitude = 6000
gear_bump_left_direction = 35500
gear_bump_left_duration = 250000
gear_bump_right_magnitude = 6000
gear_bump_right_direction = 00500
gear_bump_right_duration = 250000
ground_bumps_magnitude1 = 3250
ground_bumps_angle1 = 8900
ground_bumps_intercept1 = 5.0
ground_bumps_slope1 = 0.48
ground_bumps_magnitude2 = 750
ground_bumps_angle2 = 9100
ground_bumps_intercept2 = 0.075
ground_bumps_slope2 = 1.0
crash_magnitude1 = 10000
crash_direction1 = 01000
crash_magnitude2 = 10000
crash_direction2 = 9000
crash_period2 = 75000
crash_duration2 = 2500000

[airplane_geometry]
wing_area = 1700
wing_span = 108
wing_root_chord = 26
wing_dihedral = 2.0
wing_incidence = 0.000
wing_twist = -0.302
oswald_efficiency_factor = 0.77
wing_winglets_flag = 0
wing_sweep = 36
wing_pos_apex_lon = 25.50
wing_pos_apex_vert = 0
htail_area = 376
htail_span = 35.76
htail_pos_lon = -61
htail_pos_vert = 25
htail_incidence = 0
htail_sweep = 36
vtail_area = 356
vtail_span = 15.09
vtail_sweep = 53
vtail_pos_lon = -35.2
vtail_pos_vert = 9.8
elevator_area = 95.250
aileron_area = 40.080
rudder_area = 38.080
elevator_up_limit = 27.502
elevator_down_limit = 20.626
aileron_up_limit = 14.897
aileron_down_limit = 19.481
rudder_limit = 23.491
elevator_trim_limit = 10.481
spoiler_limit = 59.989
aileron_to_spoileron_gain = 1.000
spoiler_handle_available = 1
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons = 0.00
min_flaps_for_spoilerons = 0.000
spoilerons_available = 1

[electrical]
max_battery_voltage = 28
generator_alternator_voltage = 28
max_generator_alternator_amps = 60
engine_generator_map = 1,1,1
electric_always_available = 1
autopilot = 0, 5, 17
avionics_bus = 0, 1, 17
avionics = 1, 5, 17
pitot_heat = 0, 15, 17
additional_system = 0, 20, 17
marker_beacon = 1, 2, 17
gear_warning = 0, 2, 17
fuel_pump = 0, 5, 17
starter1 = 0, 20, 17
starter2 = 0, 20, 17
starter3 = 0, 20, 17
light_nav = 0, 1, 17
light_beacon = 0, 1, 17
light_landing = 0, 1, 17
light_taxi = 0, 5, 17
light_strobe = 0, 5, 17
light_panel = 0, 1, 17
auto_brakes = 0, 15, 17
hydraulic_pump = 0, 2, 17
fuel_transfer_pump = 0, 5, 17

[TurbineEngineData]
fuel_flow_gain=0.0010
inlet_area=8.9462
rated_N2_rpm=12250.000
static_thrust=14500.00
afterburner_available=0
reverser_available=1
bypass_ratio=1.07

[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed=132.000
full_flaps_stall_speed=105.600
cruise_speed=413.099
max_indicated_speed=341.000000
max_mach=0.82

[exits]
number_of_exits=2
exit_rate.0=0.4 ;Percent per second
exit_rate.1=0.4 ;Percent per second

[TailHook] //landing lights (normally shift+T)
tailhook_length= 4
tailhook_position= 0.0, 0.0, 0.0
cable_force_adjust= 0.5

[folding_wings] //Airstairs (normally shift+F)
wing_fold_system_type= 4
fold_rates= 0.110,0.110

[Flaps.0]
type= 1
span-outboard= 0.500
extending-time= 15.000
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 280.000
blowout-speed= 320.000
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0=0.000
flaps-position.1=2.000
flaps-position.2=5.000
flaps-position.3=15.000
flaps-position.4=20.000
flaps-position.5=25.000
flaps-position.6=30.000
flaps-position.7=40.000

[Flaps.1]
type= 2
span-outboard= 0.9500
extending-time= 30.000
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 280.000
blowout-speed= 320.000
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0= 0.000
flaps-position.1= 1.000
flaps-position.2= 2.000

[pitot_static]
vertical_speed_time_constant=999

[Views]
eyepoint=63.00, -1.50, 6.70

[direction_indicators]
direction_indicator.0=3,0

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=500
autothrottle_available=0
use_no_default_pitch= 1
use_no_default_bank= 1
pitch_takeoff_ga=12
autothrottle_arming_required= 0
autothrottle_takeoff_ga= 0
autothrottle_max_rpm= 94.0
default_pitch_mode=0
default_bank_mode=0
max_pitch= 12.00
max_pitch_acceleration= 3.00
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt= 2.00
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt= 3.00
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint= 20000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint= 28000
max_bank= 25.00
max_bank_acceleration= 1.5
max_bank_velocity= 2.5
max_throttle_rate= 0.20
nav_proportional_control= 15.00
nav_integrator_control= 0.10
nav_derivative_control= 0.03
nav_integrator_boundary= 0.5
nav_derivative_boundary= 0.35
gs_proportional_control= 10.00
gs_integrator_control= 0.50
gs_derivative_control= 0.00
gs_integrator_boundary= 0.70
gs_derivative_boundary= 0.00
yaw_damper_gain= 1.0

[Radios]
// Radio Type=availiable, standby frequency, has glide slope
Audio.1=1
Com.1=1, 0
Com.2=0, 1
Nav.1=1, 0, 1
Nav.2=1, 0, 0
Adf.1=1
Adf.2=1
Transponder.1=1
Marker.1=1

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=1.000000
parking_brake=1

[gear_warning_system]
gear_warning_available=1
pct_throttle_limit=0.099976
flap_limit_power=25
flap_limit_idle=15

[hydraulic_system]
electric_pumps=0
engine_map=1,1,1,0
normal_pressure=3000.000000

[stall_warning]
type=1

[attitude_indicators]
attitude_indicator.0=1

[turn_indicators]
turn_indicator.0=1,0

Hi Mark

What's it not doing mate.. just not showing? Do you have a panel for it?

ATB
DaveB

Hi Mark

Both say Model= so it's both pointing to the same model...but one is sim=B727100_VL and the other sim=B727200A_VL and that one says in the title is a -100