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Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 13:41
by speedbird591
Ha ha! That's brilliant! Patenting the winglet in 1897 and then waiting patiently for somebody else to invent the rest of the machine! A true Great Briton. Sad that he wouldn't have lived long enough to see his invention come into it's own
There is hope for us all! Thanks, Dan
Ian
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:14
by TobyV
Hi Ian,
Basically at the tip of a wing, or a rotating blade or pretty much anywhere really a fluid (liquid or gas) naturally flows from an area of high pressure to an area of low pressure.
Because of the curvature of the upper surface of the wing, the air has further to travel but 'arrives' at the same time it therefore has traded an increase in kinetic (motion) energy for a decrease in pressure energy.
At the wing tip, the higher pressure air below the wing has an opportunity to move around the tip towards the lower pressure area above the wing. Combined with the forward motion of the aircraft, this is what leaves the spiral vortex. Obviously theres a lot of 'wasted' energy in the vortex, so whats really happening is regarded in engineering terms as a "loss". The vortex adds drag to the wing (I think :think:

) and is obviously a nuisance for following aircraft. The whole point of the wingtlet is to make it harder for the air to generate this vortex. You can find similar things to prevent tip losses on modern turboprop, helicopter, compressor and even computer-fan blades, usually a sort of kined or twisted tip.
Sorry my engineering is a little rusty (pardon the possible pun), I hope that makes sense!
Toby
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:17
by jonesey2k
Like somebody posted on al.net: "Two places I wouldn't want to be in a 172"
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:21
by speedbird591
Yup. I followed
all of that, Toby. You must be a born educator. Thanks for the insight
Ian
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:34
by Garry Russell
I was always impressed at LHR watching B-747 come out out low rain clouds and pull the cloud down behind them almost to the ground.
Also a couple of times I have watched Concordes climbing up through the murk visible in the hole they had just made in the cloud and this sort of tunnel would form just briefly.
Garry
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:36
by jonesey2k
Actually you can hear them aswell. Standing just behind the threshold at liverpool when a 737 flys over for landing you can hear the air swirling around loudly for short while after the plane has landed.
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:37
by Garry Russell
Yo Jonesy
146's are good for that as were Viscounts and Vanguards.
Garry
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:38
by TobyV
Garry, Concorde is a special case and the huge vortices are above the entire wing and integral to the way it generates lift.
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 14:41
by Garry Russell
Hi Toby
Everything about Concorde was a bit special.
The edge of the tunnel had little swirls and it looked likeit had just entered a time tunnel
Garry
Posted: 10 Aug 2006, 19:41
by cstorey
In addition to the pressure differential causing flow around the wingtip, there is also a considerable element of spanwise ( i.e outwards along the line of the wing , rather than fore and aft across it) flow which when it reaches the tip tends to detach and add to the vortex, and generate drag as Toby has said. This is the principal reason for the boundary layer fences on the VC10 which diminished the spanwise flow considerably, thus improving the lift/drag ratio of the wing and permitting the low approach speeds which were such a feature of it
Chris