This really angers me.....

thehappyotter · Post by **thehappyotter** » 22 Nov 2006, 19:59

TobyV wrote:public torture, disembowlment and execution

The rate of repeat offending may well have been a little lower then too...

Sounds all good to me.

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 22 Nov 2006, 20:28

thehappyotter wrote:
TobyV wrote:public torture, disembowlment and execution
The rate of repeat offending may well have been a little lower then too...

Sounds all good to me.

speedbird591 · Post by **speedbird591** » 22 Nov 2006, 21:06

Hey! Garry's the only one who has pointed out that he hasn't been found guilty of anything by a court. He's only been accused. I hope I never find you lot sitting on my jury one day! 12 good men and true :roll:

Toby's gory punishment post reminds me of a great link. It's the on-line Records of the proceedings at The Old Bailey from 1674 to 1834. It's a fantastic way to spend an hour or two and it's searchable by crime, punishment or name - maybe you can find an ancestor

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/

Ian

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 22 Nov 2006, 21:17

Ian, not wishing to predjudice matters but from my understanding, hes part of a gang that is known to have been there and one of his co-defendants as admitted to the crime. For the sake of being [politically?] correct, yes no verdict has yet been reached, nor sentence passed, but there are times when the truth of the matter is more apparent than in some cases, if you see what I mean. :think: Nothing we say or do on a flightsim forum is really going to influence matters in any way.

If he has not done anything wrong and has nothing to hide, a more appropriate time to make claims on any reward would be after being aquitted by said 12 men and women.

thehappyotter · Post by **thehappyotter** » 22 Nov 2006, 21:21

Just because you're found not guilty doesn't prove you didn't do it... Just that they can't prove you did... :-$ (it's a burden of proof thing)

I bet the criminals are glad i'm exempt from jury service...

Signed,

Mr Cynic...

Post by **Garry Russell** » 22 Nov 2006, 22:04

True.and just because you are found guilty does not mean you did it

But in the eyes of the law you are found one way or another and rightly or wrongly the court has the final say andn it is our duty to abide by it and not for us to decide..........

But as I say above if he is quilty then he has a lot of explaining to do

Personally I don't think there should ever be reward for information. It is the right thing to do to give that information

You could even end up with it being withheld while the people with that information hang back watching the reward grow

In the meantine there could be more victims.

But it must be frustrating for the police on this forum, who time and again see crimuinals get off when they know thet the person did it and some little techincallity throws it out.

Or if convicted are sent on holidays etc as if they were victims

But in this case the media are out of order stirring this up before the trail ends as it may jeoprdise a fair hearing which if not given makes the authorities as bad as the accused.

The media could have hung back and in due course they would have had a clear story one way or the other

Garry

speedbird591 · Post by **speedbird591** » 22 Nov 2006, 22:56

Although our criminal justice system is in no way perfect, the necessity to prove guilt makes it the fairest and most reliable justice system in the World.

Justice is an essential part of Democracy. If we are led to pre-judge people through media reports, without all the facts, before the case has been heard, then surely that is Fascism? I admire your confidence in your conclusions about this chap. You may well be right. But my point is that you - and I - have no way of knowing.

The barristers will unearth every scrap of evidence and follow every avenue of persuasion to demonstrate guilt or innocence and an impartial Judge of great experience will likely deduce the truth and attempt to guide the jury who will decide democratically whether or not they believe the Judge to be wrong.

How can you not wait for that wonderful process to be completed before making your own decision?

Give the man a fair trial - and then hang him!

Ian

DanKH · Post by **DanKH** » 23 Nov 2006, 01:42

I see nothing wrong with a bit of prejudging here and there....

AndyG · Post by **AndyG** » 23 Nov 2006, 10:35

Garry Russell wrote:
But in this case the media are out of order stirring this up before the trial ends as it may jeopardise a fair hearing which if not given makes the authorities as bad as the accused.

Very much my point Garry.

The media in this country (and others, admittedly) are out there for sales/viewing figures to the exclusion of all else, including truth and impartiality.

AndyG

Nigel H-J · Post by **Nigel H-J** » 23 Nov 2006, 11:54

Hey! Garry's the only one who has pointed out that he hasn't been found guilty of anything by a court. He's only been accused. I hope I never find you lot sitting on my jury one day! 12 good men and true

I say Ian, hang on a minute!!! My post only echoed that of Toby when he stated prisoners compensation, at no time did I refer as to whether the guy was guilty or not.

Besides that I have done jury service and found it to be one of lifes' most important and demanding experiences, especially after our elected foreman stood up and delivered a not guilty verdict (that was an unanimous decision by all) and even more pleasing regarding that verdict was seeing the flood of relief that the accused showed when our verdict was given!!

In many cases also, the jury will be directed by the Judge in how they should consider the evidence in that what should be considered to be relevent and what isn't.

Don't worry Ian, because of my job I am not allowed to sit on juries anymore but I am sure that the others here will judge you as you have judged them!!!

PS You don't get porridge every day now!!!