ORBX FTX England

If you have a payware prog whether it be a model, scenery or utility that you have tried.. tell us about it here.

Moderators: Guru's, The Ministry

511Flyer
Vintage Pair
Vintage Pair
Posts: 2217
Joined: 24 Jun 2007, 10:13
Location: Surrey

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by 511Flyer »

Some time ago, Darren from ES promised Autogenesis. This would cover GenX scenery with autogen in much the same way as Treescapes has done, which would be far better than this scenery. Sadly for us, Darren appears to have thrown his lot in with the new team and all his plans appear to have been blown away. This is supposition on my part, because Darren is prevented from commenting.

I do have ORBX Australia, New Zealand south island, and some North American freebies. Plus Ant's Aussie airports. So I'm not knocking ORBX in general. Perhaps GenX has led me to expect better for the UK?

Just for comparison. A couple of shots in Cornwall, which includes a quarry.

Image

Image


By the way Dave, if you want green fields, set your season to Summer.

:)

User avatar
Chris Sykes
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 1658
Joined: 18 Apr 2006, 11:50
Location: Northampton

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by Chris Sykes »

I was flying with the FSX date set to yesterday, was flying with REX weather too... Quite a bleak day...

User avatar
DaveB
The Ministry
Posts: 30457
Joined: 17 Jun 2004, 20:46
Location: Pelsall, West Mids, UK
Contact:

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by DaveB »

You know when you have one of those days.. things are looking good yet they turn out not so? Well, I've just typed a quick report on FTX England (which I'll sketch over AGAIN below) and thought I'd be clever and use spell check. Instead, I hit refresh page and the lot went :rant:

OK.. I'll tell you as briefly as I can what's happened this morning. Drawn like the proverbial to a flame.. I cracked and bought it. Went to check my email for the reg key and found one from my ISP stating I'd now run perilously close to my 10gb allowance so I can add a fiver onto the buying price of FTX England or not use the pc again until 5th Dec 8)

I won't go through the install.. it's an installer like any other. Loaded up at my default (Marham) in the Cessna and immediately noticed Marham was wrong as were the FR's I was seeing.. low teens. Popped into 'Scenery' and deselected all of the GenX areas in case that was causing an issue. Back in sim.. no.. FR's still pony.

Beside Marham being wrong, I took off anyway and had a goosey around the countryside. Still very low FR's and a lot of stuttering. Adjusted the Mesh and Texture sizes but to no avail. Went back to my default settings.

Back to 'Scenery' and moved Marham above the FTX areas and back it came but still ran very very poorly. Also, a ridge had appeared around the airfield where it's flatten obviously doesn't coincide with FTX. Still.. another quick flight and dismally poor running.

Landed.. deselected ALL Orbx areas in 'Scebery' and put GenX back. FR's improved slightly but the sim still ran like a bad'un. The only thing left to change was to go to FTX Central and click on 'FSX defaults' to put the tree's back and I guess, a few other odd's and sod's and there she was.. fluidity in itself.

Now.. how a few trees can cause this in England when I was surrounded by the bloody things in PNW has given me plenty to think of but I can't find an answer. I've left it back to GenX/Treescapes for now cause I'm up to my earphones in Mosquito but it has to be said that this does not run anywhere near as well as PNW or Tasmania for that matter. Given less dense tree areas and fewer autogen houses.. I'd have expected it to run like a young pup on a mission. I dread to think what would have happened had I flown over a town. I'll investigate more when I get time but that won't be yet awhile.

ATB
DaveB B)smk
ImageImage
Old sailors never die.. they just smell that way!

J0hn
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 1175
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 18:22

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by J0hn »

Now, those OrbX screenies have definitely confirmed my decision.

The reason I use UTX/GEX and VFR Airfields is because, apart from the UK2K airfield base images (which can be switched off) everything is an object on the ground. All the trees, hedges, buildings - everything is a 3D model of one kind or another. You can see this on the screenies I posted earlier (except of course, the two Real Scenery shots).

Wainfleet is looking decidedly flat to me in those pics. Very reminiscent of photographic style scenery a la GenX or Real Scenery. And there is the deal breaker.

I hadn't realised before now and I am now definitely not interested. Sorry. :dunno:

Image

all those hedges and trees and buildings (not many in this shot) are actual objects - not a pretty 2D picture.

User avatar
TSR2
The Ministry
Posts: 16344
Joined: 17 Jun 2004, 14:32
Location: North Tyneside, UK
Contact:

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by TSR2 »

Hi John,

I know what your getting at, but the big difference is that with UTX / GEX the tiles repeat so they look nothing like what's really there. Don't get me wrong, I have both UTX and GEX, and while they are better than the default Europe its very repetitive, so much so that I've disabled all my UTX scenery now. Horses for courses, but I can certainly see the benefits of ORBX FTX England over the equivalent UTX (albeit they have a few issues to sort out)
Ben.:tunes:

ImageImageImage

GHD
Vintage Pair
Vintage Pair
Posts: 2868
Joined: 17 Sep 2004, 14:04
Location: Harton Village, UK

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by GHD »

TSR2 wrote:UTX / GEX the tiles repeat so they look nothing like what's really there.
But so does FTX.
George

Image

User avatar
TSR2
The Ministry
Posts: 16344
Joined: 17 Jun 2004, 14:32
Location: North Tyneside, UK
Contact:

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by TSR2 »

I know they do George, and I personally prefer VFR GenX, but from what I've seen from what the chaps have posted it appears to be much more identifiable than UTX / GEX, no? :dunno:
Ben.:tunes:

ImageImageImage

User avatar
DaveB
The Ministry
Posts: 30457
Joined: 17 Jun 2004, 20:46
Location: Pelsall, West Mids, UK
Contact:

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by DaveB »

Hi Chaps,

Dying as I was to finish work tonight and have another play with FTX England.. I'm glad I did but am also disappointed. There was always going to be an element of 'if it's not real, how good is it' and I've found this out tonight/this morning. Flying around somewhere like Bowerman or Tasmania, the scenery looks good and works a treat but unless you actually know the place.. it doesn't really matter. I've managed to get FTX England running well tonight.. don't ask me how because I don't really know but it does run well, despite me getting a couple of runtime errors in the process.

To put it all into perspective, I've been back to the default UK tonight too.. not something you'd want to do if you didn't have to but it was worth the effort. For one, there are a lot more red brick houses so the FTX houses are obviously not default but their own. I set myself up in this fashion.. first GenX(v2).. then default FSX.. and finally ORBX. To be honest, the difference between default and ORBX is not as great as I'd thought. Don't get me wrong.. there IS a difference and a big one but still, it wasn't quite as big as the screenshots show IN SIM.

First, I flew around Marham.. a place I've got to know very well since beta testing the Mosquito. FR's now up (ORBX trees are the culprit.. why they work in PNW but don't in England is a mystery perhaps only Sam can shed light on).. and all was running smoothly. OK.. let's look at Birmingham. Immediately, I realised all my UK2K scenery's are below ORBX so all get suitably modified.. better by far than the default but out of recognition with UK2K. No problem. Fly toward Birmingham city centre in the default Bell206 and notice a LOT of floating houses (yes white ones at that).

OK.. next to move to another area.. a flight I'd saved in the Bell behind my house in the W Midlands. Runtime error! Sim restarted and the W Midlands flight chosen. When the flight started, my Bell was half into a house that shouldn't be there but I made allowances for that. The scenery ran very well.. in excess of 50fps and as smooth as silk. However.. it bore little or no resemblance to where I live. There were trees and fields but lakes and industrial buildings :dunno: Next.. to Portsmouth.. runtime error 8) Sim restarted and Portsmouth selected. Again.. all was running pretty well but I can't say I recognised the area. You know where you are because of the Spinnaker Tower but other than that.. the similarities were few. Remember me commenting on checking No.1 dry dock to see if USS Enterprise had replaced HMS Victory.. well, no.1 dock isn't there and to be fair, this isn't photo scenery (even though HMS Victory is a national treasure). I did see this though...
Image

Ask me why USS Theodore Roosevelt is in 3 basin and I think you'll have to ask John or PeteP who live there cause I don't know. Look at the texture along the jetty.. AND trees 8)

I did say there was always going to be a risk that going to something NOT REAL albeit bedecked with copious trees, houses and stuff in favour of something completely real but bereft of 3D could be a problem.. especially if you KNOW the areas concerned. For me.. it's too much of a problem. The places I've checked, I know and the differences are too great for me to brush off.

This said.. for anyone who has NOT been spoilt by GenX photoscenery and wants rather more than the default offers, I can recommend ORBX FTXEU England. It is head and shoulders better than the default (even with the proliferation of white houses). There's some nice detail built into the areas of interest (the Bull Ring Centre in Brum for example.. Brum FC's ground - though why anyone would want to duplicate that is beyond me!) and a whole pile more but.. if you are used to looking down and seeing the row of houses at the bottom of your street, the canal across the common, the corner shop.. from say a thousand feet and you like seeing it, then I can't recommend spending your money on FTX England. The additional 3D objects you get.. the trees which seem to work in one part of the world but not here, the modified default airports (which are great if all you have are default but a pain in the butt to move either ORBX below all your installed airports or move all of them above it to stop the modification) but most of all, the fact that what is under you is no longer real.. the 3D attraction goes. I got it to run well.. I got it to run very well (without the ORBX trees).. I couldn't and can't explain the runtime errors but it does run well.. as well as the default AND looks better.

You get a lot with this package.. variations on lighting for day and night, a host of texture changes you can make and I'm sure the package will be updated to make it better. If you're currently a default FSX user who wants as much extra as can be got for as little spend.. take a look at this scenery because I doubt very much you'll be disappointed. The disappointment only comes when moving from photoreal scenery you've been used to seeing for years and knowing it's real.. well.. as real as it gets ;)

Now.. back to that Mosquito I've spurned today!
ATB
DaveB B)smk
ImageImage
Old sailors never die.. they just smell that way!

User avatar
TSR2
The Ministry
Posts: 16344
Joined: 17 Jun 2004, 14:32
Location: North Tyneside, UK
Contact:

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by TSR2 »

Cheers for that Dave.... GenX Southern Scotland for my Christmas pressie then :lol:
Ben.:tunes:

ImageImageImage

User avatar
speedbird591
Battle of Britain
Battle of Britain
Posts: 4038
Joined: 24 Jun 2004, 05:56
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Contact:

Re: ORBX FTX England

Post by speedbird591 »

Cheers for that Dave.... FTX Southern Alaska for my Christmas pressie then :lol:

btw ... finished work? You don't have time for that rubbish! You've got a full time job testing aeroplanes and scenery for us :doh:

Ian :lol:

Post Reply