Classic British Flight Sim

Hi Robbie

For certain, no.3 and 4 will be fuel bled as there's absolutely no way they'd start after this length of time. We've ended up doing 'wet' starts before and while impressive to watch, it's not much good for the internals :o I don't know what the oil levels are like on either but this will be checked AM and the engines motored over (I hope) ;-)

Leif..
I've had one reply back re motoring the Tynes over.. content as follows:
Are you not thinking of the Britannia?? They used to do that because of the prop brake system which was a peg & disc and you had to check it had disengaged before going for a start. If you didn't, you could burn out the turbine.
Unquote.

I've replied that you are more than a little au fait with the Brit and while it's possible it's the Brit you are thinking of, it's unlikely. This wasn't done with BEA/BA ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Nope Dave this was BEFORE my Britannia experience and I knew why we did it to the Proteus -- However the reason I asked was we had many BEA diversions in the early 70s and I couldn't remember them doing it -- just the Invicta ones and basically
Also the 44s I flew on you didnt do it -- so that was why I was wondering if it was the ex Canadian Vanguards And yes I have seen OM burn a turbine doing exactly what you decsribe out on the runup stand at Luton. made a HORRIBLE noise .



Leif

Hi Guy's..

Things move on a pace.. except at Brooklands. I've learned this evening that our fire officer hasn't been approached with regard to fire cover. He requires a team of 4 and cannot muster this number :roll: Without fire cover, we can't run the engines.

I honestly don't know why I bother :brick:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

DaveB wrote:He requires a team of 4 ...

To do what?

Okay, you definitely need a chief. And he won't be able to fight the fire cos he'll need to give orders. And you need one to make a video of it. They always do that with fires now. And an investigator so they know who to blame when it goes wrong. Ah yes! And the fourth - he'll be the bloke with the bucket of sand!

Yup - definitely need four minimum.

I've got another ex-BOAC CSD standing by with me for an engine run - whenever it all comes together. So those BEA types won't have it all their own way!

Ian

p.s. The Queen of the Skies paid me a visit this afternoon. Crossed overhead at about 5,000 ft climbing out of Lyneham. I could still hear her on the prevailing wind 10 minutes later! Oh Glory!!! I'm so happy.

Well mate.. since that little grenade was lobbed into the arena, we've received a reply from the museum director saying that it is important for the museum for the run to go ahead so not to stand the team down until they have spoken to the fire officer!

Knowing how fickle fire cover is to organise even at the best of times, it's difficult to imagine how this little bloomer slipped through the net but there you go. So.. as of this afternoon, it's not officially off.. or should that be it's still officially on? :think: The only certainty is the uncertainty

I'll keep you posted ;-)

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Yo Dave'lets just say the stuts is unaltered pending an official review

That way you can say it's still on even though you know it will be scrubbed at the last minuet (probably) :roll:

As to my own, personal view of all these modern day rules...

Garry

I seem to recall reading somewhere, that the rope wrapped round the prop and a gang of guys on the rope running away from the aircraft was used to start the Gannet on more than one occasion.

N

They did that on Bristol Superfreighters :o but I don't see how you could spin a turbo prop fast enough to start it

Garry

Garry...
they run Real ly fast and a use longer rope
..... but i can't back that up ... I've never accually seen it done

Joe.. find one of the many clips of EP doing an engine run and note if you can the length of the start routine. That's probably an unfair suggestion but a clue is in the length of time you keep the 'start' switch depressed.. 10 seconds. That's how long it takes the engine to get up sufficient speed before you throw fuel at it.
I'm not saying it couldn't be done on a smaller engine but I honestly couldn't see it being done with something the size of a Tyne. The Gannet is a bit of an oddball by being 2 engines in one isn't it. Be interesting to see film of it being done

ATB

DaveB :tab: