Classic British Flight Sim

cstorey wrote:Kit and Peter - it's 15 years since I used to go to EGLL, but even then, to accommodate the amount of traffic they had, at peak times it was not that uncommon to be given a minimum approach speed of 160 kts IAS and a "land after " instruction, so that there were two a/c on the runway at once. Often, these were coupled with an " earliest turn off" instruction . Plainly this cannot be done safely in poor vis, hence the vast reduction in landing capacity in Cat III conditions

Yes I remember receiving hundreds of "Land After" instructions and I'm pretty sure I never had to go-around from one...Although that instruction was always at "Captain's discretion" and was not allowed to be issued in poor visibilty. One thing that Heathrow had over most other airports was the special "Ground Vectoring Radar", (that white dome thing on top of the tower)...They could use that to vector you on the turn off until you got the green taxiway centre line lights in sight. Even back in the Vanguard days I can remember being vectored with that radar all the way to our stand in thick fog (before jetways).

I don't remember what the separation was for a CAT III inbound stream but think it was more like 4 miles than 6 miles, but I might well be wrong on that. I suppose it could have been 6 miles, in which case nothing has changed :redface:

speedbird591 wrote:It was a very sobering experience that you can land 300 tons of machinery at 150 mph on to a precise spot and then you have the same ability as a Reliant Robin to get any further.

I agree...It was always the most difficult part of the passengers journey in thick fog, to continue on home after landing. And then for us as we went out to the aircraft again to operate our next flight, we were always delayed by the fact that our expected passengers were having trouble getting to the airport :think:

BTW...Getting back to the original thread...I have "Air Force One" visiting McLeland Field on a Thursday now (switchable on of off)...But I'm having to move one pine tree on the Military side as the aircraft clips it while taxying in or out

Also, I'm unable to find an AI C141 to come in advance with the President's motorcade...Anyone know of one I can download?

Peter..

ProjectAI have a Presidential support package available though I've no idea what's in it. Alternatively, there is Mike Stone C141 available at allnodes that may be suitable for AI. Problem there is going to be the livery it comes with :think:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

If you get the C141 from Mike's site at http://www.pmstone.com (scroll through Military until you get to it), the scheme is for a a white/grey USAF C-141B.

When Tom Clayton returns from his vacation at his mothers, he may be able to advise whether there are any overall grey repaints.

Ian and Dave...Yes thanks for that...Have downloaded it and will start work on it as soon as I've finished tree moving

Peter

I remembered this thread when I saw repaints of Henry Tomkiewicz C-141 on Avsim today.

A quick search through my bookmarks and I found the AI model at:

http://htaimodels.com/downloads.html

Scroll down to the bottom for the C-141.

Ian

Ian,

Well spotted, I must go there more often...I love Henry Tom's models and would use them over all others for AI...Thanks a lot, I've downloaded and will work on it today :dance:

That worked out nicely Ian:-

I've been looking for a C-141 to fly in the armoured and armed Motorcade ahead of the President. Ian pointed me at Henry Tom's model and I built it into the visit to McLeland Field today...Here are a few pictures that I took:-


The weather down low is pretty horrible as the Starlifter crosses the threshold and...


...touches down on the icy surface.

A more complete sequence can be seen by clicking this address:-

http://forum.fsscreenshots.com/dcboard. ... =full&page

Thanks for looking :dance:

Is the Canary Is. accident of 1977 with the two 747s something that would be impossible with modern technology or would that sort of thing still be a risk in heavy fog?