Classic British Flight Sim

Hello all,

cheers for the feedback and discussion regarding the colours. Quite rightly this has been noted by some of you as questionable, and will admit (sorry Andy!) that the roundel interior red is probably wrong. At the time when I first made those roundels, I did not know about Simmers Paintshop (where I now get all my swatches from) so did not use roundel red. This means that they all 'wrong' on all my paints but will be corrected on future releases (on different models coming out, not these old Canberras).

As for the overall RAE red, I used a red close to what I saw in my reference photos; admittedly it looks a tad more lilac than in the two photos supplied above, but mine were shot in different conditions. To my eye, this red is not roundel or bright red (from the UK colour swatches on Simmers), but something different. Roundel appears much more subdued. Can anyone clarify here what should be used?

Hopefully we can clear this up for future paints. Speaking of which, yes Andy, there is a T.4 in the wings, model by Paul Foster, but not yet officially released till I have his word. I'm doing some schemes but in very early stages so nothing to show yet. As I said in my PM, some other variants to follow soon from Paul.

Steve

I'll get my coat! :sad:

Beeayeate wrote:Steve
The Survivors pages index on my web site shows that XH568 was broken up at Bruntingthorpe during March 2006. The cockpit section plus some other 'bits' were bought by an American outfit - Air Platforms Inc - as 'spares' for their two revenue-earning Canberras, WT327 and XH567.



Dismantled at Bruntingthorp


Seen a RAF Wyton in 1981.

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Sorry about that Les, I saw this on your old XH568 page, not realising there was an updated entry:

"A "Survivor", XH568 is shown in the bottom photo as preserved by "Classic Aircraft Projects" at Bruntingthorpe Aerodrome, Leics." http://www.bywat.co.uk/xh568.html

nazca_steve wrote:Sorry about that Les, I saw this on your old XH568 page, not realising there was an updated entry:

Ah! Now there's a thing. My mistake there Steve. I removed the link from the Survivors Index page so that nobody could jump to it anymore, but neglected to delete the actual page itself from my webspace!

Regarding the colour of your red paint, the actual colour was Pillar Box Red. This was the red colour used by the UK Post Office on all their pillar boxes. Introduced as 'flashes' to A&AE Canberras on an overall white body as a visual finder aid in case they went down in the artic during an intensive series of cold-weather flights in the 50s. Unless you could stand next to a brand newly painted one with a colour chart in your hand it's doubtful if you could reproduce exactly the red (or blue) used.

Remember also that any and all interpretations of the 'raspberry ripple' scheme are - these days - from photographs. Therefore it's worth remebering that, eg, a photo taken on an Olympus using 35mm Fuji transparency film will show a slightly different 'red' to the same photo taken on a Nikon using Kodachrome 64 transparency. Then run that through colour processing for publication . . . Then display it on thousands of different monitors all with differing chromatic values . . . See what I mean?

So, what everybody's talking about here is the perception of the red colour you used. And as that's in the eye of the beholder, well, carry on that man.

Anyway, here's another pic of 568 plus one of WT953 both in raspberry ripple schemes.

XH568


WH953



Hope this helps.

Les,

I think the comment about the 'redness' can be taken tongue in cheek a little. There is red, and then there's red.. then there's a sort of candyapple red (metalic.. pearlescent looking) which is how it looks in the majority of those shots It's similar to having a car that's red and one that's metallic red if you get my drift. They're totally different Some of this can be down to the actual colour used plus a combination of alpha channel (if any) plus the dynmaic shine of the model. It's not so much the colour red but the type of red.. some of which Steve may be able to get rid of.. some of which is controlled by the model itself which he cannot.. unless he gives the author a prod

Love the model but that red isn't right no matter what light you view it in.. for whatever reason Constructive not destructive criticism

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Good comments everyone, I have to strongly agree with Les on the issue of working from photos though - unless someone can provide me with the hex or RGB values for pillar box red, we are going to have some fun here!

I will do a search for it, maybe someone else can beat me to it. If it can be done, I'll probably do a rework of the red since its caused a fair amount of discussion here.

Thanks also to Les on the RAE raspberry ripple background, I have seen some white with red flash photos and now know where they're from.

All for now,

Steve

p.s. Les - you've got to love search engines - your XH568 page came straight up!

Hi Steve

would it be the bright red as given here

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/page-RGB-colors-UK.html

Garry

Thanks, but I don't think it is Garry, just from what else I've found and compared to the photos we've seen. I found this approximation here:

http://www.frameco-online.com/shopaust/prod255.htm which while does not give the hex or RGB value, comes close visually to my eye.

I also did this quick swatch comparison. Given that mine is fairly close to the other pillar box red, I think I'll let sleeping dogs lie for now.



Steve

The only problem with that source is that it is Australian and they may not know the real colour of a pillar box

Still looks a bit "pink".

Official colour of a pillar box is Royal Mail red, colour ref no. 538. BS381C from http://www.helm.org.uk/upload/pdf/Royal ... e_2002.pdf

Interestingly ejector seat handles are this colour http://www.dstan.mod.uk/data/00/970/01070400.pdf

And here is a colour swatch ("for guidance only")
http://www.e-paint.co.uk/BS381%20Colour ... =&pFinish=

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Ae ... d=10&gl=uk

Not as dark as bright red, not as pink as the Australian pillar box red?

ianhind wrote:The only problem with that source is that it is Australian and they may not know the real colour of a pillar box

Still looks a bit "pink".

Official colour of a pillar box is Royal Mail red, colour ref no. 538. BS381C from http://www.helm.org.uk/upload/pdf/Royal ... e_2002.pdf

Interestingly ejector seat handles are this colour http://www.dstan.mod.uk/data/00/970/01070400.pdf

And here is a colour swatch ("for guidance only")
http://www.e-paint.co.uk/BS381%20Colour ... =&pFinish=

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Ae ... d=10&gl=uk

Not as dark as bright red, not as pink as the Australian pillar box red?

All of which backs up the comments made by Mr Bywater (tug forelock in direction of master), as '538' in those two swatches looks nothing like any pillar box I've ever seen - on this monitor anyway!

AndyG