Aircraft and routes

petermcleland · Post by **petermcleland** » 12 May 2006, 11:59

Garry Russell wrote:Thanks for that Peter

I was just curious as it sees often when you read pilots careers they right seat a type then go to another type then return to the left seat.

Not in BA Garry...Once you get your Command, you stay in the left seat. I got my command back on the Merchantman/Vanguard but when I moved onto the Trident, I stayed in the left seat but with some First Officer type training on the Conversion Course...So I never actually operated a Trident as a First Officer.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 12 May 2006, 12:15

Thanks Peter

The move to another type in my post was still right seat before moving back to an earlier type when getting command. You then stay in the same seat.

But what I was meaning is they seem to go back when getting a command to the type they flew before the last right seat type rather than move across on the same type.

But of course once they are Captains they remain so.

It almost seems that you move up types then when the promotion comes you move back one then carry on from there.

ATB

Garry

petermcleland · Post by **petermcleland** » 12 May 2006, 14:14

Garry Russell wrote: It almost seems that you move up types then when the promotion comes you move back one then carry on from there.

Yes that tends to happen mostly, but not all the time. Basically the most senior people are on the senior types. Then each year they work out how many retirements are going to occur (these are mainly from the senior aircraft types) and then decide how to impliment the moves. Conversion courses are expensive so they might like to save money by NOT just shuffling a whole load from the aircraft they are on to a more senior type, till the vacancies at the top are filled and new chaps come in on the junior types.

A lot of money can be saved in planning these moves carefully. It was becoming fairly common in my day for what we called a "Command on Type" to occur...i.e. a First Officer on say Tridents would do his Command Course on the Trident and just swap over seats...The course could be shorter and the experience would help the new Captain settle in to his new duties without having to unduly concentrate on the aircraft systems, as he would already be familiar with those.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 12 May 2006, 14:22

Thanks Peter

I wasn't sure quite how it worked apart from the often interviewed Concorde First Officer that were becomming Capatains on 757 and the like, but in the Concorde's case it was a very senior aircraft so their must have been quite a queue.

ATB

Garry

360shed · Post by **360shed** » 12 May 2006, 16:22

Here's a selection of Emerald 748 sectors before they ceased flying. Flight Number - Sched Departure Time (UTC so add 1 hour for local) - From - To - Flight Level

Jon

JEM02M 22:50 EGGD EGNT FL140
JEM04M 22:05 EGNT EGGD FL110
JEM1974 05:00 LFML LFMN FL080
JEM1975 19:45 LIME LFML FL150
JEM1976 18:05 LFMN LFML FL090
JEM1976 18:05 LFMN LIME FL150
JEM244 07:45 EGGP EGNS FL080
JEM245 17:30 EGNS EGGP FL090
JEM361 04:45 EGGP EGNS FL080
JEM362 05:50 EGNS EGGP FL090
JEM384 12:00 EGGP EDDH FL130
JEM384 13:00 EGBE EDDH FL120
JEM384 14:35 EGBB EDDH FL130
JEM385 17:30 EDDH EGBE FL110
JEM40M 19:25 EGNS EGNX FL100
JEM41M 22:45 EGGP EGPH FL100
JEM421 21:50 EGAA EGGP FL110
JEM422 23:35 EGGP EGAA FL100
JEM42M 00:20 EGPH EGGP FL110
JEM43M 04:20 EGNX EGNS FL100
JEM43P 02:45 EGGP EGNX FL090
JEM521 10:00 EGHH EBKT FL170
JEM521 15:45 EGGD EBKT FL130
JEM522 18:30 EBKT EGBE FL100
JEM540 04:35 EGHH EGJB FL080
JEM541 06:00 EGJB EGHH FL100
JEM541 06:00 EGJB EGGD FL100
JEM541 17:35 EGJB EGHH FL130
JEM60E 01:00 EGNT EGHH FL090
JEM60E 19:30 EGGP EGNT FL090
JEM60E 20:50 EGBE EGHH FL070
JEM61E 00:25 EGGD EGHH FL090
JEM61E 21:00 EGGP EGGD FL150
JEM62E 19:30 EGGP EGNT FL100
JEM62E 23:55 EGGD EGGP FL090
JEM63E 01:00 EGAA EGGP FL090
JEM70E 01:00 EGNT EGGP FL100
JEM70E 19:00 EGGP EIDW FL100
JEM70E 19:00 EGNH EGGP FL090
JEM70E 20:55 EGBE EGHH FL070
JEM72E 20:15 EGGP EGNT FL090
JEM860 06:00 EGJJ EGJB FL030
JEM861P 06:50 EGJB EGBE FL130
JEM910 19:45 EIDW EGGP FL110
JEM911 03:45 EGGP EIDW FL100
JEM915 02:45 EGGP EGAA FL100
JEM916 19:20 EGAA EGGP FL110
JEM925 03:30 EGBE EGJJ FL100
JEM983 03:50 EGHH EGJJ FL080
JEM984 05:15 EGJJ EGHH FL090
JEM984 07:20 EGJJ EGGP FL120

petermcleland · Post by **petermcleland** » 12 May 2006, 16:39

Garry Russell wrote:Thanks Peter

I wasn't sure quite how it worked apart from the often interviewed Concorde First Officer that were becomming Capatains on 757 and the like, but in the Concorde's case it was a very senior aircraft so their must have been quite a queue.

Yes but they had a limitation for that course and that was that you had to have 8 years to go before retirement (55 years)...So that ruled out a lot of very senior guys (including me)...But the Concorde course was the most expensive by far.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 12 May 2006, 16:54

Thanks again Peter

You have made it a lot clearer now.

ATB

Garry

Post by **RAF_Quantum** » 14 May 2006, 15:39

Re the following routes :-

LGW-JER-GUR-LGW
LGW-TFR-LGW
LGW-BSL-LGW
LGW-SPL-LGW
LGW-RTM-LGW
LGW-ABD-LGW
LGW-ABD-BER-ABD-LGW
LGW-BVA-LGW

LTN-LBA-GLA-LBA-LTN
LTN-BSL-LTN

MME-JER-MME
MME-BVA-MME
MME-OST-MME

NCL-JER-NCL
NCL-BVA-NCL
NCL-RTM_NCL

STN-PMI-STN
STN-IBZ-STN
STN-GRO-STN
STN-BCN-STN
STN-AGP-STN
STN-MAH-STN
STN-VCE-STN
STN-RMI-STN
STN-GOA-STN
STN-ALC-STN

Please can someone confirm the following

GUR = Guernsey ?
TFR = ?
BSL = Basle ?
SPL = Amsterdam ?
ABD = Aberdeen ?
BER = Bergen ?
BVA = Beauvais ?
GRO = ?
AGP = ?
MAH = ?
VCE = ?
RMI = ?
GOA = ?
ALC = ?

Rgds

John

Charlie Bravo · Post by **Charlie Bravo** » 14 May 2006, 17:02

RAF_Quantum wrote:Re the following routes :-

Please can someone confirm the following

GUR = ? (Guernsey is GCI/EGJB)
TFR = ?
BSL = Basle LFSB
SPL = Schiphol (Known as AMS/EHAM)
ABD = Abadan (Aberdeen is ABZ/EGPD)
BER = Berlin TXL/THF/SXF EDDT/EDDI/EDDB
BVA = Paris Beauvais KBVE
GRO = Girona LEGE
AGP = Malaga LEMG
MAH = Mahon LEMH
VCE = Venezia LIPZ
RMI = Rimini LIPR
GOA = Genoa LIMJ
ALC = Alicante LEAL

Rgds

John

Post by **RAF_Quantum** » 14 May 2006, 17:16

Hi CB

Looks like my cut and paste missed some routes off. I have a feeling Leif may have meant GUR as Guernsey. I knew it as GCI or may also have been GUE. Again with the ABD-BER-ABD route, I have a hunch it could be may be intended to be ABZ-BGO-ABZ as I knew it - Aberdeen and Bergen.

It is for this exact reason we should try and use the 4-letter ICAO or at least full airport names to avoid confusion.

Hopefully Leif will see this post as he knows exactly what airport is intended.

Rgds

John