RAF............PC again!!

[Chris Trott]

I believe it was the Germans who started painting art on airplanes first actually. It was then exported to other services during WWI and continued from there. There are instances of nose (and fuselage) art on the aircraft of several countries during the inter-war years, so I doubt that it would be very easy to trace who was "first" in WWII as one would have to determine where the first aircraft to have art in WWII that had not also had it done previous to the start of hostilities.

[airboatr]

I heard /read it was the Italians
they painted a sea dragon on a boat plane in 1913
at least it was the first recorded
But I would bet some one some where painted
stuff on aircraft before that
The Royal Air Force, wasn't formed until April 1, 1918.

after nose art went to pin ups
the panels were used ... and why not???




Garry
sory your post went porn

Pinups For Inspiration?

BTW Trott
Germans were known to paint sharks mouths on AC
below the propeller spinner
not on the side.
so nose art it could be said was a German thing first
but as I said
somewhere someone may have done it before them

To bad they didn't write it down :-({|=

[Kevin Farnell]

Kevin

I think you'll find Jon was refering to Italy - specficially Monza or close to it

Leif

My appologies - it sounded so like what certain 'religous preachers' have been up to in this country.

Kevin

[Garry Russell]

Nose art was in use during th 1914-18 war so the tradition is about as old as effective military aviation.

I think WWII was when it became more widespread and "Girlie" and also cartoon characters became prominent as well.

Garry

[jonesey2k]

Interesting to note that the guy who drew the lady on the Virgin Atlanitc livery was a very well known pornographic artist

[airboatr]

Interesting to note that the guy who drew the lady on the Virgin Atlanitc livery was a very well known pornographic artist

there a good joke in there somewherez

[DispatchDragon]

I was speaking specifically about WW2

the earliest nose art would have been the Mickey Mouse going to war nose art that Adolphe Galland sported on his 109s both in the Spanish Civil War with J88 (Mickey Mouse squadron Condor Legion) and with JG26 during the Battle of Britian

heres one of Douglas Baders Hurricane circa Oct 1940




And the Shark Mouth was sported by many 110s including some flown by the quasi Iraqi airforce in 1941

This is the one that South African Air Force P40s copied in North Africa then in turn was copied by the Flying Tigers




Of course probably the most famous 110 nose art was the Wespe painted on noses of Me110s from the Battle of Britiain through North Africa and then by 110 Nightfighters


Leif

strikes me that nose art was done for morale of the crews NOT the enemy so banning the use of it in this day and age seems only to
assist the enemy

[Garry Russell]

I think the ban is only on certain things like images of women and I guess nowadays a whole list of things that might cause offence.

TBH it's about time some of these decision makers grew up.

Garry

[DaveB]

TBH.. those on high have frowned on nose art for years. I remember a similar uproar after the first Gulf War and at that time, the excuse wasn't anything to do with offending muslim ladies. :roll:

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[Tweek]

There was a muslim imam here who used to throw crucifixes out of hotel and hospital rooms as he said they offended him. Crosses are fairly standard fixtures in those places in this catholic country. He got deported.

And rightly so! If he can't accept the culture and traditions of the country he's moved to, then he has no right to be there. :roll:

In that case, I assume you have no objection in the nose art being removed from RAF aircraft, as we should respect the culture and traditions of the Muslim country they are based in.

Touché.

But surely the fact that we're fighting a war in their country is bad enough? How is nose-art, that no civilian is actually going to see, going to offend any of the inhabitants any more than the fact that we're there in the first place?! :think:

And anyway, I never said we had a right to be in Afghanistan. I'd rather we kept our own traditions, and got the hell out of there!