sparked by a bit of conversation..FSX does helicopters much better than FS9 so i would thoght i would give it a go
a couple problems emerge, lack of overland routes and lack of suitable helicopters and lack of oil rig scenary for FSX
well a bit of research to address the lack of routes.
thier does seem to have been a primary route network and it is
Notingham-leicester-Birmingham-Northholt-Heathrow-Southampton (B-171/S-55)
other routes were
Liverpool-Wrexham- Cardiff (S-51)
also
liverpool-Cardiff direct (S-51)
and
Scilly isles-Lands end (S-55)
Scilly isles-Penzance (S-61N)
and
Peterborough-Yarmouth (S-51) (mail)
Peterborough-Norwich (S-51) (mail)
for helicopters thier is no S-51 for FSX and not sure about FS-9, thier is an S-55 (whirlwind we could use) not sure BEA used the S-58 (wessex) overland. again thier is no B-171 (sycamore) at this time
interestly BEA operated a jetranger but i have no idea where it went or what it did so far
i think thier is some basis for using the S55 (whirlwind) on the primary route to boost our distinct lack of heli action (usable in FSX as well as FS9 for sure)
Thoughts ?
Helicopter routes
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Re: Helicopter routes
first comercial helicopter passenger service in the world apparently
Cardiff dep. 9.45 a.m. Liverpool arr. 11.30 a.m.
Cardiff dep. 5 p.m. Liverpool arr. 6.45 p.m.
(Wrexham arr. 6.29 p.m., dep. 6.35 p.m. Liverpool arr. 7 P;ml
Liverpool dep. 9 a.m. Cardiff arr. 10.45 a.m.
Cardiff dep. 4 p.m. Liverpool arr. 5.45 p.m. ^
(Wrexham arr. 9.23 a.m., dep. 9.30 a.m. Cardiff arr. 11 a.m./
in FS
i guess this would Be
EGGP-EGFF (liverpool cardif -direct) thier is no wrexham but perhaps hawarden EGNR might substitute
B.E.A.'s helicopter flights from Nottingham to Birmingham,
with a stop at Leicester, will begin on July 2. There will be two
services daily in each direction, except for Sundays.
The service operates three times daily—0700, 1205 and i6oohr
from the Hay Mills rotor station, which is some three miles
distant from the centre of Birmingham. The journey to Northolt
takes 70 minutes and the crossing to Heathrow (London Airport) a
further ten. Fares are £2 10s. single and £4 10s. for the return
journey. If seats are available, the service between the two
London airports may be used at £1 each way.
in FS this could be
EGBN-EGBG-EGBB-EGWU-EGLL (Nottingham-Leicester-Birmingham-Northolt-Heathrow)
the worlds first commercial night helicopter service (On 12 May 1948, the British European Airways began a regular mail service from Westwood using Sikorsky 51 and Bell 47 b3 helicopters,)
first night mail run took off from
Westwood field at Peterborough to make a return flight
to Norwich. The timetable is: —
Take-ofi, Peterborough, 22.00 Land, Norwich .. 22.56
Take-off, Norwich .. 01.50 Land, Peterborough .. 02.56
well (RAF) westwood is long gone but i think Connington is the nearer of the two peterborough airfields so
EGSF-EGSH (peterborough-Norwich)
and
EGSF-EGSD (peterborough-Yarmouth)
i cant find the actual times for the southern part of the route to South hampton or Gatwick but the route was
EGWU-EGLL-EGHI (Northolt-Heathrow-Southhampton)
and thier was also a EGLL-EGKK service (Heathrow-Gatwick) again times unknown
thats for BEA...other operators not known at this time (Autair perhaps ?)
Cardiff dep. 9.45 a.m. Liverpool arr. 11.30 a.m.
Cardiff dep. 5 p.m. Liverpool arr. 6.45 p.m.
(Wrexham arr. 6.29 p.m., dep. 6.35 p.m. Liverpool arr. 7 P;ml
Liverpool dep. 9 a.m. Cardiff arr. 10.45 a.m.
Cardiff dep. 4 p.m. Liverpool arr. 5.45 p.m. ^
(Wrexham arr. 9.23 a.m., dep. 9.30 a.m. Cardiff arr. 11 a.m./
in FS
i guess this would Be
EGGP-EGFF (liverpool cardif -direct) thier is no wrexham but perhaps hawarden EGNR might substitute
B.E.A.'s helicopter flights from Nottingham to Birmingham,
with a stop at Leicester, will begin on July 2. There will be two
services daily in each direction, except for Sundays.
The service operates three times daily—0700, 1205 and i6oohr
from the Hay Mills rotor station, which is some three miles
distant from the centre of Birmingham. The journey to Northolt
takes 70 minutes and the crossing to Heathrow (London Airport) a
further ten. Fares are £2 10s. single and £4 10s. for the return
journey. If seats are available, the service between the two
London airports may be used at £1 each way.
in FS this could be
EGBN-EGBG-EGBB-EGWU-EGLL (Nottingham-Leicester-Birmingham-Northolt-Heathrow)
the worlds first commercial night helicopter service (On 12 May 1948, the British European Airways began a regular mail service from Westwood using Sikorsky 51 and Bell 47 b3 helicopters,)
first night mail run took off from
Westwood field at Peterborough to make a return flight
to Norwich. The timetable is: —
Take-ofi, Peterborough, 22.00 Land, Norwich .. 22.56
Take-off, Norwich .. 01.50 Land, Peterborough .. 02.56
well (RAF) westwood is long gone but i think Connington is the nearer of the two peterborough airfields so
EGSF-EGSH (peterborough-Norwich)
and
EGSF-EGSD (peterborough-Yarmouth)
i cant find the actual times for the southern part of the route to South hampton or Gatwick but the route was
EGWU-EGLL-EGHI (Northolt-Heathrow-Southhampton)
and thier was also a EGLL-EGKK service (Heathrow-Gatwick) again times unknown
thats for BEA...other operators not known at this time (Autair perhaps ?)
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Re: Helicopter routes
The BEA Helcopter division was an experimental division set up to pioneer the use of helicopters in commercial route service
Full of potential and many ideas it found the use impractical where convential equipement could be used.
But they did sterling work devolping routes and trying to make them viable and as with so much up until those times, were paving the way for the rest of the World to follow.
They also did educational flights for schoolchildren and a lot of flying crane work.
In the case of the Isles if Scilly route, the one scheduled survivor, they indroduced a large modern comfortable cabin, a vast improvement over the Dragon Rapide and even today the only fixed wing competitors are either much smaller (Twin Otter) or in the case of the Islander, noisier as well.
It is sadly often forgotten just how big a part BEA played in mapping the civil use of helicopters.
Garry
Full of potential and many ideas it found the use impractical where convential equipement could be used.
But they did sterling work devolping routes and trying to make them viable and as with so much up until those times, were paving the way for the rest of the World to follow.
They also did educational flights for schoolchildren and a lot of flying crane work.
In the case of the Isles if Scilly route, the one scheduled survivor, they indroduced a large modern comfortable cabin, a vast improvement over the Dragon Rapide and even today the only fixed wing competitors are either much smaller (Twin Otter) or in the case of the Islander, noisier as well.
It is sadly often forgotten just how big a part BEA played in mapping the civil use of helicopters.
Garry
Garry
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Re: Helicopter routes
just found your paints for the S-55..alas Fs9 only..BEA found helicopter flights very practicable...just not very economic..
trying to trace what AUTAIR did with the WS-55's it took of BEA's hands, no luck so far
trying to trace what AUTAIR did with the WS-55's it took of BEA's hands, no luck so far
Re: Helicopter routes
managed to get a S-51 model working in both FS9/FSX...FSX requires a bit of work...but hey moving forward who knows we may hear the clatter of ancient rotors in CBFSVA skies yet