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RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:52
by DogTailRed2
Training from Shoreham in the Royal Navy Hellcat.

Just out of Shoreham turning towards the coast.
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Fleet spotted at 2500feet.
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Approaching Victorious 900feet, 100knots. Gear, Flaps, Hook down.
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Caught the wire first time. Safely down.
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While the fleet maneuvers the Hellcat is parked at the stern. No tie downs so brakes on to prevent slipping off the back :-)
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Full flaps and the Hellcat climbs away easily.
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Looking back as we climb away.
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Banking around for a flypast. Clean and tidy this time.
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Salute to the Captain as we fly past.
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No need for the shadowing Norwegian Catalina now so he does a flyby before heading home.
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Many thanks for these great freeware Carriers :) :hello:

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:55
by DaveB
Pity there aren't a smattering of vintage escorts to go with the old girl. Nice shots Ted :thumbsup:

ATB

DaveB B)smk

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 17:58
by SkippyBing
Pity there aren't a smattering of vintage escorts to go with the old girl.
Strangely I have one of those on the back burner as well! Might actually get it done over Christmas leave....

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 18:29
by DaveB
:thumbsup: Cheers Skip :xdeer:

ATB

DaveB B)smk

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 18:55
by TSR2
Lovely shots Ted. Nice to see a whole fleet :thumbsup: :xsmile:

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 22:48
by sketchy74
SkippyBing wrote: Strangely I have one of those on the back burner as well! Might actually get it done over Christmas leave....
.....and to add to that... if you think the Vic is too small to land on!!

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 11 Dec 2009, 22:53
by DaveB
:lol: :lol:

The Vic is fine mate. I don't seem to be having much luck with the WWII fighters but the Stringbag is fine (at one extreme) and I can get the Sea Vixen down no problem (at the other extreme). ;)

You haven't got an Ark Royal III in the offing too have you?? :worried: :wasntme:

ATB

DaveB B)smk

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 12 Dec 2009, 23:55
by Rich
DaveB, which WWII fightrs are you having problems with and what kind of problems, I have a few working ok.

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 00:18
by DaveB
Hello Mate..

I don't really like the fact that I can't see out of the darned things without a 'forced' high AoA for finals. I'm sure I read somewhere that in a Spit (for example) you can physically lose 2miles of ground view flying straight and level due to the length of the fuse in front of your eyes. I'm sure you can get around this with practise (especially with the aid of TrackIR) but to be honest.. the only Spit I've ever felt comfortable in is the RealAir model.. and the PlaneDesign model before the final tweaks went in. It's a 2D/3D thing I suppose. With a decent VC flying by the seat of your pants.. I can do most things (add shift+z in here to keep an eye on speed) but some models just don't lend themselves to this sort of flying.. my sort of flying that is :)
The prop blur on the Sea Hurricane for example is so dense, I feel you'd have to have x-ray eyes to be able to land in an orderly fashion. This may just be my setup of course but I don't want to start tinkering with the settings to get something I rarely (now, not at all) to look ok and throw the rest out. The 2D panel on this and the majority of 'like' models is completely useless without moving the view so far down you lose the feeling of 'where you're at' in the air.. your attitude. OK for poodling around not doing much but landing is an integral part of any flying experience and on a carrier such as Victorious.. even more so :lol:

I can't make the things myself so find it difficult to 'moan' without feeling guilty.. do the bloody thing yourself.. ever ringing in my ears so, the types I don't like or get on with.. I don't fly. Payware.. I'll moan about that all day but freeware, no ;)

ATB

DaveB B)smk

Re: RN Hellcat Carrier training

Posted: 13 Dec 2009, 16:44
by DogTailRed2
Hi Daveb,

do you mean a forced low angle of attack? With a high angle of attack you won't see very much on final.
The trick to land based landing with warbirds is to fly a curved approach (much easier with Track IR). Without track IR a slightly higher
approach allowing a curved descent is best. Slightly nose down, descending but controlling airspeed with flaps and throttle. During the flare you are pretty much using
peripheral vision to keep the run way aligned.
If you are having to use lots of high AOA when dirty in warbirds then use more power and trim.
A lot of warbirds like the P47 are unable to maintain level flight dirty (don't know about the Spitfire). So flaps are deployed pretty much on final and then descend all the way in.
Trying to fly level in the P47 and you'll be looking at 35+ inches of MP and the engine will we getting stressed.

Carrier landing is kindof hard to explain without trackIR.
When I was landing the Hellcat I was peering over the nose occasionally (as a real pilot would) and using rudder to take a glimpse of the carrier.
I normally have -250 to -500 fpm descent and then a rapid flare before catching the wire.

I'll post some circuit pics later when I get the time. I'd use fraps but it kills my fps somewhat!

Apologies to real world pilots if my instructions seem bad. I have the advantage and ignorance of never having flown a real plane :Dance:

Regards,

Ted.