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LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 19 Jan 2010, 23:38
by TobyV
I am hoping someone here can help me out... in my research for LHR, for the building that for most of its life has been called "Terminal 2", I have a number of photos and references that appear to give conflicting information regarding the layout of the southern of the two piers.
Although at some point perhaps starting in the mid to late 1970s, the pier has had many alterations, enlargements, reductions in the number of gates, even during the 1960s, i have one early photo that shows apparently two gates exactly level with each other, adjacent to the "bridge" connecting the pier to the terminal. The one on the "inside" (northern side) is so close to the terminal that it would be impossible to park an aircraft to the right of it (i.e. between it and the terminal building). Most photos show a long gap between the penultimate and final gate on the same side. The final gate is the opposite side to the fire station.
At some point, possibly very late 1960s / 1970, it seems that a gate has been added as I have an aerial photo which is probably 1970/71 showing four equally spaced gates on the north side of the pier and three on the south side and the fire station where the fourth might have been. At yet a later stage, the pier that has been added has gone again, replaced by a short "jetty" which seems to be surrounded by baggage trucks and the fourth gate on the north side seems to have been enlarged and the parking position re-oriented such that the aircraft park at an angle to the pier.
...So I'm, hoping you can visualise my description (my scanner doesnt work with Vista

and I've lost access to my FTP site so posting pictures is difficult!) and I'm hoping that a pilot or ground worker or spotter from the 1960s/70s can help explain the evolution of the pier and perhaps we can then figure out what it would have looked like in 1966!!

Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 07:40
by speedbird591
Hi Toby. Just a wild guess as I rarely had anything to do with T2 (non BA European flights) in them days. Could it be where the LHR-LGW helicopter shuttle was accommodated? That ran for a few years late 70s to early 80s until the M25 was built. Apparently it used Gate H34 - which means nothing to me but may do to you!
More info about it here
http://www.cue-dih.co.uk/aerospace/aero ... gw_lhr.pdf
Ian

Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 10:01
by petermcleland
As I often heard said when I worked from there for 22 years..."Heathrow is the only building site in the World with its own airport"
Sorry Toby I know nothing about Terminal 2 as I only ever went there for a haircut

Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 10:21
by speedbird591
petermcleland wrote:Sorry Toby I know nothing about Terminal 2 as I only ever went there for a haircut

I suppose it's too late to ask for a refund, Peter?
Ian

Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 20 Jan 2010, 12:33
by TobyV
On the plus side, if no one remembers then hopefully no one will notice / criticise if I get it wrong
It looks as if one gate was moved at some point and then removed altogether, but Peter is quite right in that the place was (and still is) clearly a building site and evolving every year so I will just have to make a judgement!
Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 11:43
by TobyV
Comparing the maps I have in two different booklets, one from 1970 and one from 1972, the 1970 map agrees with what I expected to see and the 1972 map agrees with the photo. So I summise that thegates were moved at some point in the early seventies but must have been altered again in the mid 70s!
Only question remaining is does anyone have a map showing the gate numbers? It would seem there must be two systems. I have seen designations like Ian's "H34" but the numbers on the gates seem to be purely numerical. Anyone any ideas

Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 19:50
by PeteP
TobyV wrote:I have seen designations like Ian's "H34" but the numbers on the gates seem to be purely numerical. Anyone any ideas

It really was a long time ago - I left Heathrow in August 1970 - but I seem to remember the letters referred to the cul-de-sac and the number the specific gate, so H34 was gate 34 which was located in the 'Hotel' cul-de-sac.
Pete
PS According to "Heathrow ATC, The First 50 Years", the Gatwick Link helicopter used stand H38, although that was after my time - it was an Islander in my day.
PP
Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 20:14
by ianhind
spotter from the 1960s/70s

No chance - they were all on the perimeter on the A30 not paying for the Queen's Building to see what happened in the central area
And just looked at Google Earth of Heathrow to remind myself - hardly recognise it with Terminal 5 in place and the other expansions. You wonder how anything gets from one side to the other, eg landing 27R but parked at Terminal 4
Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 20:23
by PeteP
TobyV wrote:Only question remaining is does anyone have a map showing the gate numbers? It would seem there must be two systems.
After my last post, I remembered where I might have such a map and it does have the stand numbers (in alpha-numeric format) for all 3 terminals plus various remote stands. Unfortunately, it's dated November 1974 which may be too late for what you want. However, if it is of any use, pm me with your email address and I'll scan it for you.
Pete
Re: LHR Terminal 2 pier/gate mystery
Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 22:20
by speedbird591
Obviously, Pete's map will give you more relevant info on past gate numbers, Toby, but I've discovered a little bit more up to date stuff which probably won't help! The cul-de-sac between the two piers at Terminal 2 was designated Q Quebec. The one to the north of the northern pier towards Terminal 1 is P Papa. So I would assume that the H cul-de-sac was further round on the north side of T1 and the LGW helicopter shuttle idea was a red herring!
Apparently the stand numbering system was changed in 2003 and the alpha-numeric system was changed to purely numbers. The first number shows the terminal and the second two show the gate (e.g. 519). Although some of the cul-de-sacs still have the letters on display they aren't used officially.
Although it is probably no use to you re the 60s, I thought I'd have a drive round Gary Summons's UK2000 Heathrow scenery and took some screenshots of what it looked like recently - although Terminal 2 is now closed, of course. Well, it kept me amused for an hour
Cul-de-sac Quebec looking north to the south face of the north pier

Same spot looking south to the north face of the south pier

I've driven under the bridge and parked on the south edge of the south pier

There are now two gates on the Fire Station side and three on the other
Google Earth/maps shows it as being a bit more dirty and chaotic than this
Ian
