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Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 07:40
by Garry Russell
When watching the various radar flight tracking sites that the information can be seriously flawed
Some data is transmitted by the aircraft...that can be wrong too if the wrong Hex code is set, but it's the database info that is often so suspect.
The departure and destination airports,type of aircraft, airline name, registration etc are all pulled from databases set up by enthusiasts.
This is how we get a Robin DR.400 2+2 on a BA flight and a Virgin A.340 that was showing as as Super King Air. G-OMYA was appearing as G-BYGA and so on
Here is a page from
http://data.flight24.com
This shows Iberia flight IBE3180 has on several days recently, been operated by ex BA Boeing 737-236 AP-BKC that was destroyed in a crash in Pakistan last month
Just don't believe everything this tracker appear to tell you.

Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 09:20
by DaveB
Indeed mate
To back this up, I happened to be watching a Thomson flight last week making it's way toward Brum so I clicked on the contact and the detail said it was Gatwick to Venice (I think Venice.. it was a V anyway)

What's he doing heading for Brum I thought? I zoomed out to follow it's track and he'd flown from Faro!
ATB
DaveB

Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 09:43
by Garry Russell
Yep...get a lot of that
Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 13:17
by DaveB
Whatelse did I stumble over that you confirmed?? Ah yes.. alpha-numeric callsigns/flight numbers.. the infamous 5TY in my case. These don't show on the arrivals board do they

I had a look to see what was happening at Brum and the first flight due was an Air Berlin 738 (not sure if it had winglets Brian). The next flight after that was some way off.. an hour and 40mins I think so I selected 'Go to flight' and the little tinker was over the channel. I'd just set Brum up on my scanners so waited to see where the handoff was and/or how far I could get the incoming flight.
Anyways.. he turned at Northampton and I heard him come up on Brum appr shortly after. Also, I heard 5TY (a Thomson 757) come in 5by5 on appr and had a look for him. There he was, just turning at Northampton so I clicked on the aircraft and he was bound for Brum but not showing on the arrivals board
For all the good things you can say about FR24, there's an awful lot you can say bad about it too
ATB
DaveB

Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 13:40
by Tomliner
For all it's faults it is still almost real time.I was on the north Norfolk coast yesterday watching Flightradar on the IPad and listening to ATC from the nearby transmitter at Trimmingham and the short time between instruction and response could be seen.
Ps also looking at the beautiful scenery!

EricT
Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 15:39
by DaveB
Yes.. I won't ask what sort of scenery it was you were looking at
I agree with that though.. it is as close to realtime as you can get and some of that delay, much of it I'd wager, is due to the arduous route it takes through the old interweb to get to us. Certainly better than a poke in the eye but as Garry said in the first post, a lot of what you get off it is unreliable. It's a bit of fun though and I still commend it to the house
ATB
DaveB

Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 15:51
by Garry Russell
It's in real time but depending where you are relative to the reporting station the position my not be correct
This is why you see them jump forwards or backward as they pass onto another tracker and the angle is different.
Sometime two of the same are visible
the error can be as much as 10-12 miles.
Where I am, if an aeroplane is overhead it is overhead on the radar

Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 16:21
by DaveB
Yes mate.. I've noticed them jump back before. Thought it was a case of in-flight vectoring.. hit the brakes and they'll fly right by
ATB
DaveB

Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 16:51
by Garry Russell
BA Harriers
Are the doubles common around you...they are on Biscay and the Channel where they start to get away from the stations.
Re: Unreliable Flight Radar Data
Posted: 24 May 2012, 17:10
by DaveB
I couldn't put hand on heart and say yes mate but I've thought I've seen 2 aircraft close together before and one disappear. I've never been quick enough with the mouse to check the data
ATB
DaveB
