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Trident , 111 , Tristar nav logs

Posted: 07 Sep 2012, 21:44
by dfarrow
Hi guys , as a newbie ( not been able to log-in for ages );I've an electronic copy of an old navlog ( plog ) as used by Tridents, 111's and Tristars . How do I upload it please ? It's annotated with nav aid usage , visual route planning ( before efis ) and diversion routes and fuel planning . It's Geneva - Heathrow , from Feb '78 onwards . Rgds .

Re: Trident , 111 , Tristar nav logs

Posted: 07 Sep 2012, 23:39
by DaveB
Hi Dave and a welcome back from me too :thumbsup:

If you have your own webspace, you can upload it to that and link it to here. If you don't have your own webspace, you can email me the file and I'll upload it here to make it available for our readers.

One of my favourite FS runs is to Geneva and I know that PeterM liked flying there for real ;)

ATB
DaveB B)smk

Re: Trident , 111 , Tristar nav logs

Posted: 08 Sep 2012, 22:43
by DaveB
Chaps..

Dave has very kindly sent me the Trident plogs with an explanation of how they were used. I've uploaded them as sent in 4 parts. Don't be confused by the numbers on the jpg's.. 002 IS the first one followed by 003, 004 and 005 ;)

PLOG1
PLOG2
PLOG3
PLOG4

Explanation is , collected correct plog for the route ( and back ... BEA ..back every afternoon ) . folded it into 1/4's .Geneva in top lefthand corner is departure route. ( PLOGS 003 )Departure atis 'H' is written by P2 at the bottom . D1 and 6065 is depart clearance + squawk ..written as received .QNH and QFe written towards top LH . 90 is initial cleared FL . Line 'thro means recleared FL 260.

GA, RA ... Green or Red ADFs selected ( Trident RMI needles are green or red .. ie 2 or 1 , starboard or port ) . Circle round them equals Identified . Line through them equals pointing on RMI .RV and GV are red and green VORs.In PAS box 7+ is min alt , ie if not making 7000 ft at PAS , then around the hold until you do , 'cos north bound and losing an engine , might put you close to the Jura !R39 .. Red DME 39 nm . FL170+ is an ATC restriction for talking to the French , as is R51 200+ .

When departure complete , page is flipped over to display en-route portion ( PLOGS 004 )We started at the bottom working up , 2 routes are displayed . handwriting from the left are cleared FLs ie 260 then planned 310 .New squawk 2351 , ETA's and ATA's . VOR usage ie RV GV . and ATC freqs. used .Bottom right are standard fuel figures used for different types , .. but brain has forgotten the usage !

Nearing top of descent ( TOD ) , flip over page again and arrival is displayed ,( PLOG 002 ).No delays on that day ! cleared down FL 250 , FL130 , straight 3000 ft on QNH 1016 .P3 has talked to Terminal control ( term 1 ) and passed over the gate .. B17.. if landing 27/28 Right then if very light , strong headwind and full reverse used in the flare, plus lots of brake , and only in a T1or T2 ! Then a turn of at block 16 would give a short taxi to the gate,but that would be pushing it; ''Thump , uncomfortable braking, blown tyres , overheated brakes etc . '' . A Boeing 747-400 , by comparison , full from Miami , light headwind , could easily and comfortably make the next turn off , Block 15 , without trying too hard . The Trident was certainly the only ''Gripper '' . At the top of page 1140 is outer marker height , The Go Around if needed is standard ....straight ahead to Outer Marker , climbing , when above 3000 ft turn right to Chiltern CHT at 4000 ft . That tells us it's landing 27/28 Right as 27/28 Lefts G/A is left to Epsom EPM climbing 3000 ft ( from memory )

The inside back page ,( PLOG 005 ) is pictorial routes for various UK diversions . The Scottish ones approximate to the LHR- GLA shuttle routes of today . South bound 'tho after DCS it's Honiley(HON) , Westcott( WCO ) , Bovingdon (BNN) , Radar to the ILS .The table at the top is diversion fuel figures for different types , and a selection of fields . Brain has forgotten use , but it can be worked out . If I remember T2 in the cruise used about 1200 Kgs per engine ... OH ALL... fuel figs. in Kilos !Standard fuel figures for Shuttle Back Up a/c, from LHR - EDI or GLA , or return . T1c 9000 kgs , T2 9600 kgs . Normally plenty . Opposite inside page , I've not got . Sorry . But space for copying weather from volmets , towers , or ATIS's . And I think a matrix for departure fuel and performance calculations . As Peter M has explained on a neighbouring subject .

My apologies for this not reading exactly as sent. All the text is there but formatting went out the window when I cut and pasted. I've sub para'd in the right place so fingers crossed, it won't confuse you too much.

What a star for sending this stuff :thumbsup: I don't recall seeing BEA as Back Every Afternoon before either :lol:

ATB
DaveB B)smk

Re: Trident , 111 , Tristar nav logs

Posted: 09 Sep 2012, 07:42
by dfarrow
Hi guys ,sorry , the numbering may have got confused . Corrected sequence is plog 2 .. Dep GVA , plog 3...enroute LHR , plog 1...Arr LHR , plog 4 ...Diversions etc .

rgds dave f.