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Formation Landings...
Posted: 23 Mar 2015, 19:01
by petermcleland
http://www.chonday.com/Videos/laformajet3
This brought back some memories as I did over 50 "Box Landings" in my time with 266 Squadron

Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 23 Mar 2015, 19:06
by Dev One
Very impressive...how much above stall speed do you think they are using? 10 kts, 20 kts in order to be safe?
Keith
Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 24 Mar 2015, 10:01
by cstorey
Some quite nasty looking smoking from the jet pipe of the front left hand aeroplane ? Or is it just a faulty smoke device ?
Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 24 Mar 2015, 10:16
by JohnWillimas
They must be quite close to stall, I think... isn't that the sound of the stall warning going off during the approach?? This video begs all sorts of questions... like what if the guy at the front brakes faster than the guy at the back : no brake lights on these, I see...

Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 24 Mar 2015, 11:21
by petermcleland
JohnWillimas wrote:They must be quite close to stall, I think... isn't that the sound of the stall warning going off during the approach?? This video begs all sorts of questions... like what if the guy at the front brakes faster than the guy at the back : no brake lights on these, I see...

All these Air Show "Stunts" carry a bit of risk but you put up with that for the spectacle...I was in the "Box" on one of these landings when the Boss made an error in runway selection and landed us downwind...The brakes were pnuematic and you had to give the stick brake lever little bursts to keep the brake sacs at a reasonable temperature...Anyway, we all realised that something was awry when the three of us were having to apply harder and harder applications of braking to stay in formation...I was getting closer and closer to the Bosses tailplane and I knew that I would have to try to escape. I looked right at Tom Gribble and I saw him make eye contact. Then I concentrated on the bosses tail and started to feed in some right rudder while braking harder and harder...I managed to get my nose past his tail and then glanced at Tom and I could see that he was moving out to the right but getting close to the runways edge...The next problem was to get my left tip tank past the bosses right tip tank...I wasn't concious of applying aileron but I think I must have as I was amazed to see my tip tank lifting slowly up and it's nose just cleared the Bosse's tip tank tail...Now I was through! Tom had a wheel off the side of the runway. Bert Cann (number 3) at this point burst both tyres and we all charged into the mud off the end of the runway, still in Box formation but I was now leading!!

Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 24 Mar 2015, 11:33
by JohnWillimas
Heck of a tale, Peter. Seriously scary!

Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 24 Mar 2015, 17:45
by petermcleland
JohnWillimas wrote:Heck of a tale, Peter. Seriously scary!

Yes, well that is why it is so deeply rooted in my memory...Sadly the two wingmen are no longer with us...Don't know about that particular Boss though

Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 25 Mar 2015, 10:45
by Nigel H-J
I hope that the Boss paid for an evening of drinks for you after that Peter cause as sure as hell I would need some!!!!
Excellent video by the way!
Nigel
Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 25 Mar 2015, 12:23
by petermcleland
Nigel H-J wrote:I hope that the Boss paid for an evening of drinks for you after that Peter cause as sure as hell I would need some!!!!
Excellent video by the way!
Nigel, there were some repercussions. The incident took place at Fassberg and it was a practice for the AOCs inspection two days later...In my logbook I just put a reminder "Four in Overshoot"...Unfortuneately the mud in the overshoot was rather soft and glutinous...It was imperative to get them out of there because the whole Wing was airborne and the three squadrons were to come in at the end of our formation aerobatics display and do flypasts in various Wing formations.
Well since we landed Downwind, our overshoot mud was their undershoot mud and they obviously could not land with the four of us there! The Squadron tractors came racing out with towing bars and hitched up to our Venoms...Sadly the weak links on the towing bars kept breaking and even with lots of blokes pushing and new weak links fitted, it was taking far too long to get us clear of the approach, so that the rest of the Wing could land...In the end they all diverted to Celle and after refuelling and waiting for us to be moved. They took off from Celle and came back to Fassberg.
Two days later the 20th April 1956 we did our display for the AOC and and the only thing of note in my logbook was that this time we did not do a Box Landing

Re: Formation Landings...
Posted: 25 Mar 2015, 16:45
by Nigel H-J
Crikey!!

Now that certainly set up a chain of events the RAF could have well done without. I would imagine the pilots from the other wings would not have been too impressed at having to divert either.
Nigel.