Classic British Flight Sim

Red Arrows display at Farnborough will be limited to flypasts as apposed to their usual display sequence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-36546206

From their own Website:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/news/index.c ... 75E5EF24C8

Wonder whether this may be the start of a wind dodwn for the Reds as a display team? Only a thought!

Regards
Nigel.

Caused by post shoreham crash 20/20 hindsight brigade; and the knee jerk reactions. Farnborough show will be more er, sedate this year.

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Pete

No surprise. The site at Farnborough has been unsuitable for most displays for quite some time, and even more so for a formation team like the Reds. They haven't displayed at Shoreham for some years, allegedly for the same reason that much of the display would be over built up areas.

Traveling along the M3 a few years ago, at a rather slow pace I should add, I got to enjoy a significant part of the Red Arrows' display at Farnborough. Perhaps the weather had something to do with it, but I remember the display consisting of several passes along the display line in different formation shapes, nothing more. The Shoreham investigation will obviously influence several airshows in the upcoming years, but I would argue that it is not as if the planned display is something new for the Red Arrows at that particular venue. Apart from the stated issues, the airliners traveling overhead may also have influenced the choice for a flat display.

Just my 2 cents of course.

The flat display is normally done for weather considerations, for Farnborough the airspace is altered to allow high displays as LHR traffic is rerouted. Having read the risk assessment for Farnborough last week the show organisers were prepared to give the Reds more leeway than the other displays based on their experience, i.e. most other displays at the show are company test pilots rather than full time display pilots. However AOC 22 Group as the man who'd be in court if there was an accident has obviously decided the risk of one of the jets coming down in the town was greater than the reward of doing a full display.
Absence of accidents is not evidence of safety, look at the Nimrod.

I think one has to remember that the Shoreham accident stirred up horrible memories of Farnborough 1952, when the break up of John Derry's DH110 caused wreckage to plunge into the crowd with catastrophic consequences. Then the Oulton park accident followed Shoreham only a short time later: that , mercifully, caused no third party casualties, but the fact that it did not was purely fortuitous . The effect of these two accidents cannot be underestimated

cstorey wrote:I think one has to remember that the Shoreham accident stirred up horrible memories of Farnborough 1952, when the break up of John Derry's DH110 caused wreckage to plunge into the crowd with catastrophic consequences. Then the Oulton park accident followed Shoreham only a short time later: that , mercifully, caused no third party casualties, but the fact that it did not was purely fortuitous . The effect of these two accidents cannot be underestimated

The Oulton Park incident was before the Shoreham crash.

Red Arrows did a full display at Blackpool about a month ago, display line is offshore.

SkippyBing wrote:The flat display is normally done for weather considerations, for Farnborough the airspace is altered to allow high displays as LHR traffic is rerouted. Having read the risk assessment for Farnborough last week the show organisers were prepared to give the Reds more leeway than the other displays based on their experience, i.e. most other displays at the show are company test pilots rather than full time display pilots. However AOC 22 Group as the man who'd be in court if there was an accident has obviously decided the risk of one of the jets coming down in the town was greater than the reward of doing a full display.
Absence of accidents is not evidence of safety, look at the Nimrod.

indeed, and the display box has been reduced this year as well.
expect more flypasts and less aerobatics , going to be more of a trade show than public entertainment
show.

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Pete

Hot_Charlie wrote:
The Oulton Park incident was before the Shoreham crash.

Sorry, I got them the wrong way round . 1st August and 22nd August 2015 respectively