Martin Mars

John · Post by **John** » 06 May 2006, 14:27

Just released at Alpha Sim...

http://www.alphasim3.com/store/product_ ... cts_id=168

regards

John

Post by **DaveB** » 06 May 2006, 14:34

Will go down well with the 'Boat People' I suppose but not my cup of tea.. this time

Just look at the detailed panels

:-$

Tks for the HU

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 06 May 2006, 14:48

Just look at how detailed the real panel is

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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0194471/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0455071/M/

All the gauges are in the back at the Flight Engineers' station.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0551520/M/

Dave, you forget, this is an OLD airplane. They needed certified flight engineers and mechanics to actually run the engines at all times to ensure that when something died (as it always did) you could have someone who "should've known better" to blame

. There were just too many things for a lowly pilot to be able to properly monitor. Not to mention manage the very sophisticated fuel system. The Mars is one of the few planes that was "so complex" that it required 2 flight engineers to operate the engines and fuel systems. So the flight deck crew ended up actually being 6 - 2 pilots, a navigator, 2 flight engineers, and a radio operator. I believe (but don't have the book anymore) that one of the flight engineers was also the crew chief (making it one of the few times that you had an enlisted man holding an otherwise officer position).

One of the few books on the Mars can be found on the next still in circulation -

http://www.historicaviation.com/histori ... l+Aircraft

John · Post by **John** » 06 May 2006, 15:03

Well I've just downloaded it... I'm not really a 'boat person' but I've speant a lot of time in virtual North American and Canada of late and it's such a beast I thought I'd give it a go.

Regards

John

Post by **Trev Clark** » 06 May 2006, 15:39

I believe (but don't have the book anymore) that one of the flight engineers was also the crew chief (making it one of the few times that you had an enlisted man holding an otherwise officer position).

Chris, I have always beleived the only commissioned Flight Engineers in the US were the (Performance Engineer Officer) on B-36's. The Navy has always had them as NCO's and the US Marines rate the C-130 navs as corporals :shock:

Vixus · Post by **Vixus** » 06 May 2006, 15:42

I was wondering how long it would be till we got a Martin Mars.

Chris Trott · Post by **Chris Trott** » 06 May 2006, 16:59

calypsos wrote:Chris, I have always beleived the only commissioned Flight Engineers in the US were the (Performance Engineer Officer) on B-36's. The Navy has always had them as NCO's and the US Marines rate the C-130 navs as corporals :shock:

Hrm... doing some searching, I guess the FEs are typically NCOs. I had been under the impression that the USAF at least used only Officers for flight-deck crew. Navigators in the USAF are all officers however, even though the USN and USMC use enlisted for that position (the few whom are left).

Post by **DaveB** » 06 May 2006, 17:51

Chris..

You've misunderstood my comment mate. I'd certainly not forgotten this is an old aircraft

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Vulcan_to_the_Sky! · Post by **Vulcan_to_the_Sky!** » 07 May 2006, 00:54

Thats quite a nice looking plane

AlphaSim · Post by **AlphaSim** » 07 May 2006, 01:29

DaveB wrote:Will go down well with the 'Boat People' I suppose but not my cup of tea.. this time

Just look at the detailed panels :-$

Tks for the HU

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Actually our panel is a good representation of the real thing :