Vulcan Recommendations anyone ?

Nigel H-J · Post by **Nigel H-J** » 25 Jun 2006, 14:26

Hot Charlies' right - Vulcan VX770 broke up after a high speed fly-past.

The pilot was briefed for two runs over the airfield at 200-300ft between 250-300kts at 70-80% engine rpm.

Analysis of a cine film showed that the Vulcan was clocking up to 410-420kts as it flew along the runway and decended to 65-70ft of the ground.

Briefly having read an accident report into this.......The cause of the crash was that the pilot flew the aircraft too fast and started to roll and pull up at the same time into a 3,000ft min climb imposing between 2-3g when he should have stayed below 1.25g.

the airframe broke up at the very point on the wing leading edge which Avro had shown to be the weakest part of the structure.

So it appears that the pilot, in his attempt to show the aircraft to its best best effect completely forgot or ignored his pre-flight briefing.

migeater0 · Post by **migeater0** » 25 Jun 2006, 15:19

My girlfriends grandfather was killed in a Vulcan crash, Malta I believe.

Hot_Charlie · Post by **Hot_Charlie** » 25 Jun 2006, 22:10

migeater0 wrote:My girlfriends grandfather was killed in a Vulcan crash, Malta I believe.

The "famous" one? Not a pleasant incident...

http://john-dillon.co.uk/V-Force/xm645_malta.html

Paul K · Post by **Paul K** » 25 Jun 2006, 23:25

Thanks for all the responses to this, chaps. It looks like it's going to be the Just Flight one, and I'll stick a tenner in the kitty at the 'Vulcan to the Sky' tent at Flying Legends next week anyway.

The posts concerning Vulcan accidents are interesting, though very sad. I never knew there were two spare seats in them for supernumeraries such as ground crew.

EDIT: Hot Charlie, you're right, Just Flight do indeed donate some of the proceeds to VTTS. Good stuff!

Robin · Post by **Robin** » 05 Jul 2006, 15:49

My Vulcan flew alright. You really had to nurse it. The sounds are ace and do make a bloody good rumble.

Enjoy it!

Steve M · Post by **Steve M** » 05 Jul 2006, 17:39

Just to concur that the Just Flight package is indeed excellent.

On the subject of Vulcan crashes I have a lasting memory from my primary school days in the North East when I saw the crippled XM610 heading south over Bedlington and well alight after a training sortie over the cheviot hills. The captain Garth Alcock nursed her as far as County Durham, the rear crew having bailed out over the cheviots.
The Co Pilot was first out from the front followed by the Captain when he could no longer control the aircraft which crashed in a field near the village of Wingate without loss of life.
The full story can be found at http://www.neam.co.uk/wingate.html

Steve M

Post by **Garry Russell** » 05 Jul 2006, 17:52

A very interesting read there Steve

Amazing bravery trying control the situation.

Thanks for the link.

Garry

TobyV · Post by **TobyV** » 05 Jul 2006, 17:57

Same pilot as the Malta incident... didnt go so well second time sadly :sad:

Steve M · Post by **Steve M** » 05 Jul 2006, 19:35

I had the pleasure of a chance meeting with Mr Alcock last year in the course of my work 34 years after seeing his vulcan dying. It only became apparent when discussing his previous occupation and he happened to mention ejecting from vulcans. I asked was one of those by chance over the North East in 1971 and the rest as they say is history.
I'm not sure what the chances of that would be but it certainly made for an interesting chat.
Steve M