[Tech Info Needed] Captain Sim Legendary 707 Performance

gevers1 · Post by **gevers1** » 19 Feb 2007, 12:23

Simmarket.com are selling Captain Sim's Legendary 707 for 11euro. I'd love to get it (the 707 is one of my all-time favourite a/c) but having had my fingers burned with Captain Sims 757 and it's poor performance on my PC, I'm not sure whether to get it. And yes, it's *only* 11 euros, but being Scottish ....

Does anyone here have any experience with this payware product, and how does it perform on your machine ..?

thanks

VEGAS · Post by **VEGAS** » 19 Feb 2007, 12:43

Hi gevers

I have both for FS9. The 757 out performs the 707 by some margin. The main reason, I think, is primarily to do with the features. The 707 has quite a bit more functions than the 757 (the c-130 more still!).

If your struggling with performance for the 757 then the 707 will only be worse I'm afraid to say. :sad:

Post by **DaveB** » 19 Feb 2007, 12:45

Hello matey,

Yep.. I have this little tinker. Smashing piece of kit.. comes with a zillion paints and definately worth 11eur

Some folk complained of frame hits with it and this was attributed to the VC. I removed the VC on my model (with a hex editor) and the 'reported' 15-20+ fps advantage just wasn't there :sad: That said.. it was never particularly bad on this system (XP2400) so if you have anything even vaguely modern.. you shouldn't have a problem

One word of caution..
If you use FSNavigator (or any other 'outside' software) for getting from A to B.. be advised the CS707 doesn't like it one little bit. The AP on the model is custom built to replicate the authentic system used on the real aircraft and the drawback is that it will not engage all 3 AP channels when used with FSN

You have a choice of either ALT or HDG which makes longhaul flights a little too 'hands on'. If, on the other hand, you are au fait with the Civa INS system.. you can get from A to B in the correct fashion as it works a treat with that

ATB

DaveB :tab:

hinch · Post by **hinch** » 19 Feb 2007, 13:15

i got the 707 on the cheap - amazing to look at inside and out. I found most of the FPS hit was from the engine smoke, i turned off and it will lag much less. Turn off autogen and i'm normally fine to use it in the VC. There isn't an immense amount of polygons, textures or gauges in the virtual 'pit so i cannot understand the impact it still makes but with some scenery tweaks i can get my desired 25fps. i think it is a case of out-dated techniques and lack of optimization. New add-ons certainly all seem to be good performers - hopefully since they have re-made the 727, FSX will see a new CS 707 too with mdl built gauges and all that exterior eye-candy the same.

I have my occasional heavy metal needs and it is certainly the first plane i think of when they come along.

gevers1 · Post by **gevers1** » 19 Feb 2007, 13:23

The Captain sim 757 only cost me 19euro and once I upgrade the CPU & add some more memory it'll run a treat .. in the meantime however it's unusable.

I use FSNavigator in combination with EURoute to plot my travels across Europe in my lovely BAC-1-11 (flying from Munich to Milan and Rome tonight!) but never let it fly the a/c in autopilot mode - thats cheating!!

I posted my machine specs somewhere else on this forum, but its an AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (2.1Ghz), 1gb ram and an ATI1300Pro graphics card. Not great, but most things run well on it.

Ach, for 11euro it's worth taking the risk. Right?

Post by **DaveB** » 19 Feb 2007, 13:39

Most definately. It cost me considerably more and I never fly the b1oody thing!!

Talking of flying it.. it does hand fly very well and for your part of the world.. theres a BCal paint or even the Nato Awacs for those little hops out of Macrihanish

ATB

DaveB :tab:

gevers1 · Post by **gevers1** » 19 Feb 2007, 14:00

I've got an order in, i just need to press the 'Buy' button. Still, reading some reviews you get mixed messages. There are reviews from 3 years ago saying that FPS was not too bad (and they were using a lower-specced machine than the one i have) and then you see some reviews where FPS are in the 10-12 range with some pretty 'pimped' machines ...

I jist dinnae ken ... :think:

Just out of interest, how do you remove the VC with a hex-editor?

Post by **DaveB** » 19 Feb 2007, 14:33

It should be blindingly easy but it was a pain in the butt for me as I'm 9-parts thick and had never used a hex editor before!!

I can't remember the exact detail of it to be honest but there are 3 instances of a certain number you have to look for in the .mdl file. You then change the last 4 numbers of the sequence to 0000 and your VC is gone.. if you're lucky. At my first attempt.. the aircraft was 'cloaked' (see-through)!!

Should push come to shove, I still have the editied mdl files here and you could try them (they should work if the filenames are the same date) but as I said, I found the difference so immeasurable (is that a word??), it really wasn't worth the effort. You have a contingency anyway but I don't think you'll have probs with a pc of your spec. As a comparison, the much loved (except by me) Dreamfleet 727 gives worse hits then the CS707

ATB

DaveB :tab:

hinch · Post by **hinch** » 19 Feb 2007, 15:25

i just had a play for the first time in ages in this beast:

with weather off and autogen off (all others on top) i got an average FPS of 24.7 (set at 25). With weather ON set to 40miles visibility and broken cloud cover (90% 3d clouds, high volume) this dropped to 24 dead.

pretty good, i don't remember it being that smooth at all but i just ran a utility called 'Flusifix' and i have to say it's done a fantastic job and improved my FPS. Certainly in my me-262 it didn't stutter in some rain like normal.

gevers1 · Post by **gevers1** » 19 Feb 2007, 19:14

Hmmm, i've been reading the Captain Sim forum where there seems to be a right battle going on between support and some users whose machines -the specs of which resemble yer average mid-range Cray XT3- only get 7-8fps. Captain Sim just dont seem to care, insisting that an upgrade cures all and that quite frankly, the entire FSim community is just plain wrong.

Part of me says "bugger it, for 11euro you're not losing much" but on the other, I've already got one of their products clogging up my hard drive and I don't really need another one. Mind you, in their defence, the Legendary 727 (which i bought at the same time as their 757) works a treat, but then the system reqs are a lot lower.

aarrrggghhh :think: