Tacky Ton 07

ukmil · Post by **ukmil** » 16 Mar 2007, 13:28

alan cottrill · Post by **alan cottrill** » 16 Mar 2007, 15:32

Nice repaint,but when i was on 100sqd in the late 70`s we had canberra`s b2/t19/e15 and the nickname was tatty ton,ground crew and flt crew got away with murder,not literally of course,but we could cause problems for any camp swo where ever we went.
regards alan.

nazca_steve · Post by **nazca_steve** » 16 Mar 2007, 21:43

That explains the grubby state of the 100 Sqn Canberras I remember seeing at Wyton in the late 80s

Mind you, some photos of 231 OCU Crans show them to be a bit tatty too, was this just a general decline in cleaning at the end of Wyton's Canberra days?

The Hawks look nice, but my only comment would the roundel red and blue, which after the recent discussion on here, appears a little too bright.

Steve

alan cottrill · Post by **alan cottrill** » 17 Mar 2007, 10:49

Nazca_steve.
The canberra`s of tatty ton,in the late 70`s,and 231 ocu,where based at raf marham,tatty ton,b2/t19 where used as target towing aircraft,got some good suntans,at malta & cyprus,1month at a time,we where undermaned,and we had 22 aircraft to fly,i was a JT then,and i was 1 of the few electrictian`s,we played the enemy in taceval`s,e15 where tested for target towing,but proved to powerful,and they kept breaking the tow rope,while i was with them,they lost 2 canberra`s ,1 was on a test flight after a major,and 1 of the engine`s blew up over norwich, an ocu aircraft that was near by,came and did a look see at the damage,and told them to head out to sea and eject,as the damage was to bad,the other was lost due pilot error,thankfully all the crews survived,the pilot error one i witnessed,as it happened at marham,it stalled at 200ft and came down on the edge of the runway,the 2 nav`s where walking away from the crash,the pilot being ferried,was knockedout,and only suffered a broken leg,the pilot flying was ejected,when is seat fired,by the force of impact,and was found 100yds away,still strapped into the seat,he sufferd a multi fracture to the legs.
regards alan.

nazca_steve · Post by **nazca_steve** » 18 Mar 2007, 04:48

Fascinating stuff there, Alan, thanks for the background to your tatty ton days. The ejector seat story at the end sounds hairy - I bet the pilot was pretty shaken up along with his multiple leg fractures. Nevertheless, a lucky escape, even if he couldn't literally walk away from it.

I did a 100 Sqn E.15 scheme a while back but can't remember if I posted in online or not - will double check, I think it was an 100 Sqn pilot too who requested it from me. What were the major features of the E.15?

Cheers,

Steve

alan cottrill · Post by **alan cottrill** » 18 Mar 2007, 08:16

nazca_steve.
Too look at from the outside,the only bit`s that was different from a b2,was the e15 engine intake bullet cone was bigger,which housed three cartrage starts,as opposed to the b2 single cartrage start,in order to replace an e15 cartrage`s,was to remove the bullet dome,then you could change the individual cartrage`s,the b2 and t19 cartrage`s could be changed without the bullet cone being removed,as you could see a knurled wheel with a button in the centre,right at the tip of the cone,you just pressed the button in and turned the wheel,this action removed the shell case.
The engines where more powerful,but from the outside you could not tell.
From what i can remember,i think the internals where identical.
The b2`s and e15`s both had bomb aimers nose window,the t19 had a black pointed nose.
Also the fuel tanks where different,the e15 had three belly tanks,and if i remember correctly two wing tanks on each outboard wing and tip tanks.
The b2`s and t19`s had trhee belly tanks,and wing tip tanks,the t19 also had a fuel tank in the bomb bay.
regards alan.

Motormouse · Post by **Motormouse** » 18 Mar 2007, 11:29

Hi Steve,

here's a couple of E15 shots on Airliners.net

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0526232/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1022221/M/

Now,IIRC the E.15 was same airframe as the B6/PR7, using the more powerful engines, not the B2. (whereas the B2, TT.18 & T.17 were another common airframe). It (E.15) had been developed from the B.15.

Because the engines were bigger output, the wings were modified accordingly

Here's a PR7

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0815551/M/

No doubt Les will be along to let us know whats' what!

ttfn

Pete

nazca_steve · Post by **nazca_steve** » 18 Mar 2007, 16:40

cheers for the input, both Alan and Pete. I found the starter cap details very useful indeed as I never quite understood how they worked and what the differences were. Its funny as the timing is perfect regarding the turn wheel on the single cartridge caps - I am building a PR.3 model kit (well, as close as you can mod a B.6 kit) and was adding those details as best as poss . but not understanding what they were.

ANyway, now the E.15 makes some more sense. Lovely grubby looking one there that Pete provided - instant flashbacks to my Wyton gate plane spotting days as a kid (through binoculars - "is that WJ756, or 759"?).

YEs hopefully Les will wade in here at some point as we have successfully hijacked this thread from Hawks back to rightful world of Cranberries.