1-11 Cargo Income

[stegs]

I used to get a bit of cargo income on the 1-11 200
Seems to have gone now. Is this due to one of these four letter acronyms?
:think:

[DaveB]

Hello mate,

Have you done the same flight in the past.. say, over 2 weeks ago?? If so, find it and check to see what it made. This could be part of the new MZFW number that FlyNET looks for. I had a look yesterday to see if I could find a couple of 'like' flights but lost the plot with nearly 1100flights done :roll:

Bottom line is we're not entirely sure which aircraft it will effect though we do know what the result will be.. reduced cargo income :k: Have a look matey and post back as we're all keen to learn just what impact it's making

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[stegs]

Thanks Dave

I'll do a couple of comparison flights and see what happens.

Steve

[MALTBY D]

It is a difference due to the MZFW changes.

The 1-11 figures for cargo on FlyNet used to be wrong.
For some reason the 200 was set to take quite a lot of cargo, the 400 a bit less & the 500 got none.
A bit backward since the 200 wasn't capable of taking as much weight as the others.

By the new calculation, with full passenger loads these are the expected amounts of cargo that FlyNet will give:-
200 = 0 kg
400 = 76 kg
500 = 865 kg

If ever the aircraft doesn't take a full load of passengers, the cargo may increase.
Looking at the 200 though, it will only start topping up with cargo at 79 passengers and below.

The numbers are more realistic now.

DM

[DaveB]

Smashing DM.. tks for that

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[stegs]

Thanks both Daves
I checked back on the forum because I thought I'd asked a similar question before. You said then that Flynet had the cargo weights the wrong way round.

Cheers

Steve

[DaveB]

Hi Steve,

What was happening was that FlyNET used to see certain aircraft.. particularly ones with a large freight capacity.. and give them max pax and max cargo, regardless of it putting the aircraft over it's MZFW which was good for the operators but not particularly realistic. The latest coding at FlyNET will now look for and give max pax first and whatever cargo capacity is left, you'll get paid for. It gets rid of one problem and sort of poses another but it should be better in the long run.

EDIT..
Steve.. as an example, I've just booked a flight LHR-LFPO in a VC9 and checked the Flight Briefing. The last time I flew this.. I was allocated max pax (139=8.3T) and 15.275kg of cargo. The current briefing gives me the same 139pax at 8.3T but.. cargo has automatically been reduced to 8.3T. I'll check the pirep when the flight has been done but so far, it looks like it's working fine Don't forget each pax is allocated 25kg of baggage too which will further cut any possible cargo

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[MALTBY D]

Oh no, I thought I understood this. :think:

Vanguard is set as...
Passenger Capacity 139
Cruise Speed 425 kt
Dry Operating Weight 35140 kg
Max Zero Fuel Weight 55560 kg
Max Take Off Weight 64410 kg
Cargo Capacity 18750 kg

I thought this was how it went...
55560 (MZFW) - 35140 (DOW) = 20420 kg (Max Payload) (is that too high?)

139 passengers x 102 (average pax + baggage weight) = 14178 kg (total pax weight)

20420 (Max payload) - 14178 (total pax weight) = 6242 kg (added cargo)

Either I don't get it or something ain't right with the briefing numbers.
I know which my money is on.

help

DM

[DaveB]

Yeh.. I have a fair idea too

As is the way.. the show aint over 'til the fat lady sings so I'll be keen to see exactly what cargo I get paid for on that flight The freighter is about right mate.. what we couldn't nail was a correct MZFW for the passenger aircraft. There is absolutely no way on earth would the darned thing take off full of pax and with 18.7t of cargo though according to the station load figures from the 'generic' Flight Manual (leans toward pax but not fully so) 18.750kg is correct (the actual max figure is 18396kg divided between the fwd and rear freight holds.. this taken directly from EP's FM). Compartment loading is based on kg/sqft so it would take the same load internally but at the expense of having empty freight holds.. this again for the Merchantman.
The MZFW figure in your list is also correct.. for the Merchantman

I'd not want to disagree with your working out mate as it is how I would have understood it too. However, I have been allocated 11.4t for pax (this hasn't changed) with the remainder allocated to cargo to bring it up to 19.7t.. less cargo than before but still overall above her freight capacity by some 1.3t. The discrepancies appear to be with the max payload but I can't be sure. I spent a weekend last year working all this rubbish out and can't remember where the hell it is now.. probably down in the VA area somewhere as I made a point of posting it so I could refer back Unfortunately, I can't.. at the moment, find a DOW for it :sad:

We'll see what pop's out after I've landed

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[DaveB]

DM..

The above calculation seems to be right mate. I was given payment for 6242kg so those figures on the Briefing doc seem neither here nor there unless I've missed something. What actually is Pax T 11.4/10.703$ and Cargo T 8.3/8565$?? I'd presumed the T was ton but it's obviously not. The 8565$ is interesting as that coincides with the cargo revenue I got (8564$) :shock:

ATB

DaveB :tab: