The PIA Trident with small BEA red square.

Trident Man · Post by **Trident Man** » 16 Jun 2007, 19:30

Hi all thought id post a link here of the PIA/BEA aircraft,enjoy.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1224438/L/

Post by **Garry Russell** » 16 Jun 2007, 20:34

Hi Neil

That is the only pic I've ever seen of it and all I had for the paint I did a while ago

Garry

Trident Man · Post by **Trident Man** » 16 Jun 2007, 20:57

Garry,fair play to you,i have never seen a phto of this aircraft "in service" and now i have been proved very wrong.Toby told me one of you guys had a photo and i had never seen it till now.

Post by **Garry Russell** » 16 Jun 2007, 21:13

Hi Neil

I saw that pic but not on A net it was one of the other sites that had personal memory pics from various airports in the past.

I knew BEA used it for trials as G-ATNA but until that pic surfaced I had no idea it had worn the BEA logo.

This is one reason I hate fake liveries so much as quite a few people thought that was just another fake :sad:

Garry

Sl4yer · Post by **Sl4yer** » 16 Jun 2007, 21:35

Thanks for posting that link Neil!

Would it not be a bit scary trying to get a Trident 1 out of Tempelhof? :shock:

James

Post by **Garry Russell** » 16 Jun 2007, 21:43

I thinnk that's what the trials were about seeing the effectiveness of the wing leading edge slats of the 1E

The Tridents take off performance was no where near as bad as it is made out to be.

They used them in Jersey CI.

The term gripper at the time was applied to all early jets like 1-11's 125 etc that were not climbing as steeply as the atitude indicated...so they were called grippers.

The term the gripper meaning Tridents alone is a fairly new term.
to me

Garry

Trident Man · Post by **Trident Man** » 16 Jun 2007, 21:51

Garry,the term "gripper" came from flight crews that flew the Trident 1C's thatwere really under powered ie the Spey 505 but as you have said with the improved engine and inproved wing slats a lot of the problems were sorted!! :drinkers:

Post by **Garry Russell** » 16 Jun 2007, 22:01

Probably didn't seem too bad at first but as later types soon went on stream the 1C would have showed up in it's relative lack of performance.

But if it was as often now stated 'notoriously difficult to take off' then there would have been many overruns on take off but I can't think of any where the aircraft failed to take off due to performance. Don't know about China as they are a bit different there

As to 1-11's early 125 as well as Tridents etc all being called grippers I got that from a friend who was not an aviation enthusiast as such but he was a BOAC 707 and later a VC 10 pilot and he said they often used to poke fun of the 'grippers' especially with the performance of the VC 10 being far from that.

Those types were the ones he said when I asked him what he meant by gripper.

Garry

Trident Man · Post by **Trident Man** » 16 Jun 2007, 22:09

BOAC flight crew's nuff said!!! :roll:

Post by **Garry Russell** » 16 Jun 2007, 22:12

Indeed

But I won't say anything because he's bigger than me

Garry