Heron at avsim

[Garry Russell]

I doesn't surprise me as the community is crying out for a fully functional Heron

I bet 80 percent of those are disappointed with it.

They will not be dissapointed with Del's creation which even in it's present un finished unrefined state it far superior to that.

And I mean it.......it really is.

And well worth the wait

Garry

[Christhekeeper]

Hi guys

Spotted this yesterday and was one of the many who downloaded but the file stayed well & truly zipped until I checked back on here today. Suffice to say that it has now been sent packing to the recycle bin and along with many others will continue to wait for the real thing from Derek to appear.

[mgchristy]

I downloaded this and tried it before I saw this thread. Believe me, if you were looking for the definitive Heron, this wasn't it. Although to be fair, it was still 100x better than anything I could create. Apparently, it was also 100x better than anything the 'author' could create, too....hence the plagarized & stolen bits.

The model has been ditched by AVSIM, would you believe it was by far the most popular download yesterday!!!!!

Unfortunately, I think many people (myself occasionally included) judge the "quality" of a download by it's file size. They see something clocking in at 50+ megs, and they think it HAS to be good!

Definitely looking forward to a quality Heron, though!

[Rich]

Been diging a bit more, here is a extract from the aircraft.cfg that came with the download

[General]
atc_type=Prinair
atc_model=De Havilland Heron 114 Prinair
editable=0
performance=MTOW: 13,500 lbs\nLength: 48ft, 6in\nWing Span: 71ft, 6in\nPower: (4) Avco Lycoming\n\tIO-540, 285HP each\n\n
Category=airplane

[forcefeedback]
gear_bump_nose_magnitude=6000
gear_bump_nose_direction=18000
gear_bump_nose_duration=250000
gear_bump_left_magnitude=6000
gear_bump_left_direction=35500
gear_bump_left_duration=250000
gear_bump_right_magnitude=6000
gear_bump_right_direction=00500
gear_bump_right_duration=250000
ground_bumps_magnitude1=3250
ground_bumps_angle1=8900
ground_bumps_intercept1=5.0
ground_bumps_slope1=0.48
ground_bumps_magnitude2=750
ground_bumps_angle2=9100
ground_bumps_intercept2=0.075
ground_bumps_slope2=1.0
crash_magnitude1=10000
crash_direction1=01000
crash_magnitude2=10000
crash_direction2=9000
crash_period2=75000
crash_duration2=2500000

[General]
performance=Length: 48ft 6in\nWing span: 71ft 6in\nWeight: MTOW 13,500 lb\nPower: \nDesigner: Les Penridge\s Air file by David Henderson\nDate: \nFlight model: Brian Horsey\nTextures:\nRepaint: Gerry McLaughlin\n

Note, 2 [General] entries Fs only reads the first as far as I can see, the airfile description had obviously been edited and his name replaced all the others, what the muppet failed to do was delete the origional [General] sect

these names also appear when I opened it in Aircraft Container Manager nDesigner: Les Penridge\s Air file by David Henderson\nDate: \nFlight model: Brian Horsey\ and opening the mdl file in notepad reveald Copyright 2003 Felix Rodriguez the mdl copyright holder in text among all the gibberish.

So many peoples stuff has been used without a by your leave seems a right mishmash of somehow joined together bits.

[johnhinson]

Fair enough, Rich, but as Garry has already recognised, I don't hold such bitter views over it. I don't think it is a deliberate campaign to steal others' property and claim it as his own. I don't think he is clever enough to do that and reckon it is a case ignorance of etiquette and an over-enthusiasm to publish a full "product". This chap is clearly in Puerto Rico or around that area, given his enthusiasm for Prinair, but by his writing is either not educated to a high standard or has difficulty with the English language. He did actually write to me a couple of times in 2004/2005 asking for help with developing the model - e.g. "i start to built with FSDS version 2.24 a full flying model deHavilland DH114-2D Heron for FS2004 with things like Animating the Engine Cowling & Doors to open and close". I couldn't help him because he thought I had built the model in my "Three Herons" series but of course the model was Dee Waldron's. He also said "my Dad Fly with prinair For many years" which is quite interesting.

So I still believe the model is his. Gary feels it looks like the DW model, so let's be realistic - he wouldn't have good access to plans and documentation in Puerto Rico and he may well have based his dimensions on those of the DW model or any other source he could find. I wouldn't expect him to have the means to make his own FDEs so yes, maybe he nicked those. This would hardly be the first time that has been done, and Dee's very free distribution and development restrictions could possibly be interpreted as allowing this.

I really believe we should be trying to help this chap get things right rather than alienate him, and I have a distinct feeling that he probably feels scared to communciate with people such as us as he feels inferior (especially as we keep demanding the withdrawal of his work) and possibly overpowered by the language barrier. History has proved that starting wars achieves little.

Incidentally,AVSIM have confirmed that the email address in his paperwork is correct if the www. on the front of it is omitted, a genuine mistake, perhaps.

John

[Rick Piper]

Hi John

I seem to remember this character asking "here on this forum" if we would build him a Dh Heron as his Father was a Prinair captain.

So although i understand what you mean i am not sure it applies although i am prepared to give him benfit of doubt.

Good point though John

& i might be wrong , just rings a few bells that he asked us a couple of years ago

Regards
Rick

Edit: sorry John i see you said the same , i really should read stuff twice

[Rich]

John, this is a extract of his suposed mdl file opened in notepad, if this is his work why is the copy right listed as Copyright 2003 Felix Rodriguez, Felix is/was a genuine modeler living in The US and note the date 2003.

He needs to be put off doing it again, scroll to the bottom to see the copyright.


RIFFpÖ MDL8MDLH | tü
(   FS80 DICT ˜ 2¯ *å4Ó¤y Z$Ñ œ оžºå4Ó¤y Z$Ñ   àdüå4Ó¤y Z$Ñ ¤ m_~Ü£3ƒA¬™zWZ ¨ €,Jå^“]L‡ I^ w ¬ ÑayÃ-oB…u­¢wÌã ° 3i
†”‡•DˆÁOÿF ´ cyzñ4Ó¤y Z$Ñ À t)CWÓ¹ K6®J Ä ( t)CWÓ¹ K6®J ì ›Êâ‰<GF±ÂP~É• ð Éoˆ±’C1±Tëþ ô ,îØû§9œNµ'ªc/çå ø ‘©Õ)¾ÜI›­TMšÙ ü ‰Ð
µý×E¨OkÁŸ/]ƒ Ì´ÊSzþ³@ž²Å€[ÉI· ^ý[27=8@ƒ)¿Ô'€ª
9u´Œð¸}MáÒ'×'Ó‘ Úî«<ÈDŠ²aAž:
6u´Œð¸}MáÒ'×'Ó‘ ½êvÞÑCÓºf øXY ‰ô?/'lL`WH¿ç5( Šô?/'lL`WH¿ç5( ‹ô?/'lL`WH¿ç5( Œô?/'lL`WH¿ç5( Ñ×D ÛBæM¼Ö†ðL` ây5Ž¤ÌH¼ º'ÓÂŒm [Qœþ ÄA‘8Fœ”vo˜ Æß%ÊN³áFƒï2ýOÁúœ H“,G™F„ãڝªVW " W·bËÿùõI‘t*˽t¾ $ ¢©½<8íOA°ß­— ( ´­ì$ÆA¹wØzL•Dè * 5¾b”>ˆ:N¥Ú'‹Í/u& . }>B,žA¬:Æ­ÚA 2 Œ\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V 6 \ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V : Ž\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V > ‘\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V B ’\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V F ‘\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V J ’\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V N ‘\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V R ’\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V V “\ž©ÑG·Œh­dÔ¯V Z X{Ÿw£þN¡|¼M^]G ^ ·f
·UýzL¯Ø§§d
Ú¥ b ¸f
·UýzL¯Ø§§d
Ú¥ f N#†ÚÌ7H—ê<'ãQ j 0Ñ´pöB·ŒÕ"ói‘ n mYB~ ›@’©ö‹yâ r gY x0]B¤uOE¯Ë v p†iu÷çCŽ¤¶BAq
j z uoñ\1ÌÓMŠÒ~öG¸Ä• ~ ×-sæÕä¯G•ÏÔŠ¾Áob ‚ ž_‡˜žèìE½w²ê&Ö˜ † ½'ÂD7O”±¿vc![ Š ˆô?/'lL`WH¿ç5( Ž ǐpŒÏHŒ}bZYõ)  òNéþžMÐO®Q-z(
Ž§ ’ ßPõLM‰IºÍ—Ž:iØ. – MbTM—ØD‡n>8¢S° š ¨—}tp‡ÇO¸÷‰:%D» ž z%ÍaÅu
AFb—)Ë   ݇KÌ;7D¿µ ”÷j4k ¢ öEV§™ Aˆ‚– Š•‡ ¤ o€^À€ÛL©\—}²è ¨ oôYŸÃ¢@§UÌ
 ÈfU ¬ …ŠÝ‚¼L±àôÝ«çq ° 'ÅÐ'eÀÉK´@0²¸iÚÑ ´ ”¸4P8M:K™4´sµhhû ¸ Gƒ1~#”4D§$óN’ÿQ ¼ {„Ž‡0D¢œƒZûê À Ã
û1¸pCµ`·×~ë Ä IÖ-zq ŠJ Ç÷!+U6T È Ç|bÍ™Ox+õF‡ž Ì ö¯Á¶¹OƒIƒàTu« Ð ‡JŠÄjæC‚˜é³6á, Ô è#Êé°]@‘w~s¥äH© Ø ÀI¨!ÇK° Êî+jO Ü {ȸֵSNÖÊ®+˜Á® à WÏ—ðyÎJƒ®ÞýÞÏè ä ½þ8©`[OêøÎ}ï„´ è 8¶€MhwAÊ‹ùÕÛŠ ì ‡tjÁßG¸û Ñp̶I ð ¿å-£]á°I—ç.~RúM ô Ø\[tðIœUËC
|0 ø ·<¥¨=&@¢EG#¶y ü b2ÑþŸ°’I–àeüæEª [?‡ÏBnDµÌ=§¥Yð\ šê$dË¬J“³µ"¤rœ Ýܘ’3ÌM¼
¡#}ñ=¢ ÕË]t¹YE‚V$™ÎÍ £ìãvoªB‰)ÒoÍ& ̏¥°âØGŽ2²¡ÈÅŸè “¦o¼yO“y#¯!"ž ¹ˆDGÊO¡ÝÁ˜” &É Q(&£¤J‘RýGåç® $ R9^¿¡6þI§¤p\Ù¡ ( Íl½ÙZéZH¶ã2>, Uæ , l#Güñ²uI¨’gïO™¹ 0 ÐÎù¿ÕñM­=ß‚tzïx 4 Ã|J£YµîG‰`,ù©s< 8 ÙxÊÀn0«B ÂÂðè•àÉ < x±¢[MN‚?õ@¨„– @ ìßv“݆N PÝ–Êï9 D 1cž™­L¶ŽBq“÷ß H uùP
’AŽdAQ£X<; L ֑ݹVeÚA’/«g7™ P éðW#œN¼¶»/ç?BBOX ISFT< Created by FS Design Studio
Copyright 2003 Felix Rodriguez BGL ÈÉ : 8 Ž d 9 J h €# " : 4 ; š " 9
h " @ 4 A ’ " 9 & h : v 4 j ; ` " 9 & h :

[Garry Russell]

Hi Rich

Not comming out correctly for me

ATB

Garry

[Rich]

Garry the last 3 lines are the relevent lines the gibberish is the mdl file codes, now if you are realy fast you can purchase a copy off his site for $9.99 heres the link


http://www.prinair.org/Fleet.html

[Garry Russell]

Sorry Rich

My tired eyes couldn't see it before

I can now

Garry