Two aircraft collide at Manchester

[VEGAS]

Happened this afternoon. All ok thankfully. Although someone's in for a b*llocking I reckon. :think:

I sense a few claims for whipcash may be on the cards.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... at_airport

[Garry Russell]

I saw that earlier on....a complete mountain out of a mole hill media hype

Garry

[DispatchDragon]

Monty Orangeball LIVES!!!

Or is it his son Huge Orangeball??


Give me strength

if every wing tip ding was reported like this we would be contionously in the Papers

Catering trucks removing R1 doors, Fuelers ripping off Tank panels. Rampers striking aircraft with belt loaders
baggage carts honey wagons etc etc etc - we get them all

Leif

[Chris Trott]

I just want to know how the hell the pilot of the 737 got a wingtip up that high to even get near the tail of an Airbus...

I love how they can't even get what was hit right. They clipped the belly of the A320 when they were taxiing. The wingtip on a 737 crosses about a foot under an A320 wingtip, so that should give you an idea of how hard it is for a Guppy to mate with a Bus.

[Garry Russell]

What alway annoyed me was the way the media always reported Concorde incidents

These were mostly bust tyres or minor bits falling off, the sort of things that happen to all types on an almost daily basis as any machine will have minor issues

Aviation safety Network is just as bad..101 incidents listed :@

Some aircraft have crashed often yet not all the incidents are reported

Concorde had one crash

Look at the list.....click on a few and see how ridiculous some of these entries are

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Type=081

Garry

[Chris Trott]

Garry, you can't fault ASN for that. They are simply reporting (quite accurately I might add) the data they get from the various regulatory agencies. Some of those "unreported" incidents you talk about are either ones that didn't get reported or the regulatory agency doesn't give out information that ASN can monitor. In fact, if you want to blame anyone for the 101 incidents, blame the regulating agencies who require just about anything to be reported anymore, especially with anything they consider to be a "high visibility" aircraft like Concorde or the A380.

[Garry Russell]

I can and do blame ASN for that Concorde reporting

There is such a thing as editing

They do not have to put such minor incidents in

Garry

[Chris Trott]

Why not? If the government agencies feel that they rise to the level of an incident, then why should the public not be able to see the reports?

What you are asking ASN to do is cover up the whole story on the aircraft. SAFETY doesn't get edited.

I'm not going to go any further on this issue as safety is a major issue with me as I deal with it every day at the railroad and we pride ourselves in not having a single reportable injury (i.e. nothing that caused someone to have to go to the hospital or take a day off work) in 5 years and running. In addition, it's my duty position in Civil Air Patrol (Safety Officer) and always been something of a "pet project" for myself. I do not take it lightly and I do not believe in censorship of safety related items. When we start trying to determine what is and isn't a potential safety hazard is when accidents start happening that should have been seen and avoided.

Now, this is different from H&S who instead of observing and putting in place programs to help prevent accidents through awareness, they attempt to remove all personal responsibility for safety and make everything accident proof, an unrealistic goal and a dangerous one in fact in that the more that they place the onus on the manufacturers and employers to make the workplace safe, the more likely an accident is going to happen as the employees will have no real incentive to take their own safety seriously and be proactive in protecting themselves.

[Garry Russell]

Those small incidents don't need to be reported there. I never said safety was not important...why put all those minor incidents on Concorde and miss so many of the everyday occuurances on other types?


Garry

[Chris Trott]

Again, it depends on what is available to them to upload. Not all daily occurances are available in such a fashion. In addition, most of those actually do involve the aircraft while a lot of "daily occurances" on other aircraft tend to not involve damage to the aircraft (turbulence for example) just injuries of occupants.