748 landing lights

[Jayviator]

Hi, i have been enjoying flying my lovely HS748 (using G-ATMJ) in old BA landor livery, as i sat in the cockpit of that with my freind when we were kids at our local airport.
I am using the procedure checklist and its telling me i am not following procedure with the landing lights, its saying they should be off when i take of, but i thought that landing lights should be on until passing 10,000ft.
should i swich them off after take off or follow the on till 10,000ft rule?
Also ive noticed the 748 does not have taxi lights, so do i just taxi with no lights or should i use landing lights?

[TSR2]

Hi Jay,

Think your getting confused between realworld and the fsairlines virtual airline rules. The FSAirlines (Flynet) rules specify the 10'000 ft rule for landing lights etc, however the aircraft proceedures in the model will be close to, if not the same as real life. Obviously in real life proceedures vairy from country to country and opperator to opperator, the the procedure in the panel on the 748 are a real opperating procedures and not that which is used in FSAirlines.

[Jayviator]

Aha, thanks for that, yes i was using the rules from fs passengers which says landing lights must be of passing 10,000, i thought they were real world rules! i did think it was strange becuase i have seen aircraft flying lower than 10,000ft with no landing lights and there was me thinking what naughty pilots they were!

[Garry Russell]

Depends on timescale as well

If you were flying Channel or Skyways, for exampl, they hardly ever used the lights unless it was poor vis or dark.

Garry

[DaveB]

It's all relative too isn't it really. Many of these progs (including FSA) have landing light proceedures that would have ripped the lights off many British aircraft of the day as your airspeed at or around FL100 would have been far in excess of the landing light speed limitations. No such problem for those clever Americano's who built the darned things into the wings rather than have them extend and retract by electric motor :roll: Strictly speaking.. FSA doesn't say they have to be on up to FL100, only that they must be on up to FL10 and off no later than FL100

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[Chris Trott]

Yes, but again, you're taking the rules only in part and thus making assumptions on operations that don't exist. There is no rule in FSAirlines that says the lights have to be on up to 10,000 feet, only that they must be off by 10,000 feet. The rule is very simple (and mimics the company rules of many airlines). Sorry, both John & I have put this up at least a half dozen times each on this forum and yet the misconception continues to be propogated. I'm sorry, but it's getting really aggrivating to have explained it that many times and it still apparently not be clear...

Once again, the FSAirlines rules are -

The landing lights must be ON when below 1000 feet AGL.
The landing lights must be OFF when above 10,000 feet MSL.
There will be NO penalty for having the lights on above 10,000 feet MSL if less than 3000 feet AGL (to accomodate high altitude airports).

Other than that, there is no restrictions on their use in FSAirlines. Thus, there should be no reason that you'd be ripping off anything.

[Jayviator]

I am sorry to cause aggrivation but I must point out that for one, i am not asking about FSA rules, i was using the rules of FS passengers, im not sure if thats the same thing but a different name, maybe they changed the name? but I was pretty sure that the fs passengers rules says the lights must be on up to 10,000ft.
I was also told this..
The correct procedure for landing lights is this.
On clearance to line up on the runway - strobes on - landing lights on.
They remain on until passing FL100 (or 10,000ft) regardless of weather/cloud etc.
They are then switched on when passing FL100 (or 10,000ft) on the way down.
On vacating the active runway - Landing lights/strobe lights off.
This is from a real world Q400 pilot and those rules correspond with the fs passengers rules i had been using.
But in all honesty my question refers to a specific aircraft and real world flight rules not fs rules as i prefer to fly being as realistic as possible and I am still in confusion as now i have been told by a real pilot that i was using the cortrect rules by leaving them on until 10,000 yet i have a red cross on my 748 OP panel which will only turn into a green tick once i turn the landing lights off.
I think maybe the landing light rule may only apply to modern aircraft and ATC may make exeptions for older aircraft like the 748 because i also cannot comply with the other lighting rules as the 748 does not appaer to have strobes so all i have are beacon and navigation lights.
well i think well call it that on this topic as i dont want to cause any further annoyance

[Chris Trott]

Jay, I wasn't referring to your post (sorry) I am talking about Dave's which specifically deals with the way FSAirlines handles landing lights. FSAirlines is a different program from FSPassengers (FSA is free for one... )

The "rules" for landing lights in the real world vary by airline. All that is required by most of the regulatory agencies (like the FAA and CAA) is that the aircraft simply be equipped with a working landing light if operating for hire (regardless of time of day or conditions). When that landing light is to be used is not specifically regulated, it is left up to each company to determine its own rules as long as they do not exceed the design limits of the aircraft they operate. Most airlines say that landing lights should be on from runway entry to 10,000 feet (or cruise if below 10K) and back on at 10K or top of descent. However, this is done simply for visibility. Some aircraft, leaving the landing lights out this long will damage them, so the company rules would be amended for them. In the case of the 748, it is traditional to retract the landing lights after retracting the gear. This was the custom of the day when they were introduced as well as good procedure as the extension mechanism really wasn't designed to hold the landing light out for prolonged periods against the types of speeds you'd see during climbout and low level cruise.

However, one thing to remember is that each airline's operating procedures (the Airline Operations Manual) is approved by the regulatory agency responsible for their certification as an air carrier, so the company policy does carry the same weight as a regulation.

[Jayviator]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me, i will have to look into the FS airlines thing, is it similar to fs passengers? fsp is free but only if you fly from san fransisco!

[Nigel H-J]

Hi Jay

FSA is free all the way, have a read on the threads below:

http://www.cbfsim.org/cbfsim/cbfsBB/viewforum.php?f=16

If you do decide to join I am sure that you will find it enjoyable. You only fly when you want to.

Any questions please do not hesitate to ask.

Regards
Nigel.