Avro 722 'Atlantic'

[DaveB]

Welcome to the forum dougs.. nice entrance

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[Hot_Charlie]

All three V bombers had airliner proposals

The one that came the closest was the Valiant......V.1000

Garry

Depends on what you call "closest" - The HP Victor of course starred as a supersonic airliner in the 1962 "classic" The Iron Maiden.


[What an utterly useless piece of trivia. If only my brain had the capacity to remember something useful once in a while!)

[John]

i have built also found the information on the atlantic and have built a atlantic model
fell in love with the design right away

Hey that's very interesting! Is it uploaded anywhere?

Kind regards

John

[bigred1970]

bomber conversions don't make good airliners. I think almost every one was a commercial failure IE the Boeing 377

[FlyTexas]

Well done, dougs. Welcome to CBFS.

Brian

[dougs]

yes john the info is on the net here is one of the best i have found http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~jnoakes/ram/atlantic.html

[Erick_Cantu]

bomber conversions don't make good airliners. I think almost every one was a commercial failure IE the Boeing 377

The Tu-104 and Tu-114 did fairly well.

[bigred1970]

bomber conversions don't make good airliners. I think almost every one was a commercial failure IE the Boeing 377

The Tu-104 and Tu-114 did fairly well.

okay......... given a free market, bombers conversions don't make very good airlines........ ;-)

[Chris Trott]

In all honesty, the B377 was not a commercial failure. The aircraft did it's thing and did it well. It made decent profits in operation, and flew for over a decade for commercial operators. In fact, one B377 survives today - the Pregnant Guppy (the NASA Guppy is a KC-97 conversion). The only "failure" of the B377 was that it was a victim of the jet age. It could fly as far as an L-1649 even though the Guppy was slightly slower (only by about 10-15 knots), but neither was any match for the Comet, 707, or DC-8. It was no less reliable than the Starliner or it's earlier cousins, but both encountered the jet wall.

Also, to call it a "bomber conversion" is a misnomer. The only common item between the B-50 and the B377 is the wings, and even then, they aren't identical. The B-377 had all new landing gear (stronger), tail, inner wings, and fuselage. It also used a different model of R4360 than the B-50 which put out a couple hundred more horsepower than the B-50's R4360s did. More accurate would be that the numerically successful KC-97 and C-97 were conversions/modifications of the B377 where the B377 used the B-50 as merely a "starting point".

[bigred1970]

it would be nice to have some airliners in different configurations instead of the engine under the wing conventional one. it this really the most efficient way or has it just become the convention. I know the delta has some issues with AOA and such at low speeds. but why don't wee see airlines with the Canard design similar to the beech craft starship.