CNN strikes again!

[tonymadge]

Sadly it seems in this day and age all news reporters want to be celebrities, instead of just reporting the news they want to put a slant on it and "make" the news, I do not pay my licence money for some a*se hole to tell me what he or she thinks about something, they are there to report not give their stupid ill informed views. Sadly SkyNews were the leaders in tripe and they are followed by the rest...
Thank god SkyNews was not around in 1939-1945 the way they report the Afghan war making out as we are the "bad guys" Hitler would have been represented as a saint by them!!!!! :@

I guess they wont be happy until they can pin blame on someone for this crash i.e. the flight crew... They love that
I do try and find out more on the internet than listen to some inane idiot who has the brain capacity of a ground slug. :fart:

I feel for all the families and friends of those caught up in this tradgedy

[emfrat]

My sentiments exactly, Tony -

I remember in the 1960's when de-colonised Africa was falling apart, the standard example of meeja crassness was "Anybody here been raped, and speaks English?"
Objective, factual reporting disappeared decades ago - it is all 'the story' and 'the angle', and the presenter is the star, not the information. Same thing with sports broadcasts.
For those who didn't see it, this is a classic example:
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transc ... 607394.htm
Apparently, the marketing people class the presenter as 'a real hunk' and he is employed on that basis.

Another discovery that I made a few years back, is that while Nature does not allow symbiosis between parasites, that is precisely the relationship between Oz 'political roundspersons' and Oz politicians; and I have yet to see any indication that this is unique to Australia.
It really sickens me - 50 families broken, and all the media can think about is scoring a bonus for a 'lead story'.

MikeW

[DispatchDragon]

Tony

I fully agree, I am constantly reminded of Don Henley's song "Dirty Laundry" - what amazed me was the poor reporting across the spectrum of news agencies.
Joe is correct , reporters are supposed to "report" the facts, not give assumptions and opinions, one female talking head kept harping on and on about how
this wasnt a "real" airliner, while another reported that the aircraft had 5000 lbs of gasoline , and then emphasied NOT jet fuel. Although the PW150 is an
extremly efficient engine - we all know what happens when you put Avgas in a turbine engine. One would think that with the amazing amount of information
available in front of them - that the talking heads might make an attempt to get it right. Unfortunatly with the recovery of the CVR/FDRs it now begins to
appear that icing is the leading "suspect" in the investigation. Its a tragedy, however the alternative side of the coin which our friends in the fifth estate
seem to have overlooked is that the United States has gone 2 1/2 years without a fatality in the airline sector, which in itself is a remarkable record considering the amount of RPMS flown in that time period.

I'll take my soap box and go quietly

Leif

[tonymadge]

Never go quietly, if you and others do these sh*tbags and I say that with meaning get to carry on pouting the news as if they are the intellegent ones! I like to be informed of the facts and then make my own mind up as to what happened etc until reliably informed, these idiots do not think we have the brain power to consider such things...wheres my The Hulk costume, I am getting mad now ;-)

[tonymadge]

What I do like is a touch of retribution...here is a little story
a guy called Barry George was found guilty of murdering Jill Dando a beautifull and intelligent TV presenter, the case had holes in it, not that it wasnt to say this guy was guilty but there was doubt on the evidence put forward, he had a history of following women and was not the sharpest pencil in the box.
Anyway during trial the news folk were all over him like a rash finding all his dirty past and airing it, found guilty they loved every minute praising the police and finding out more of this guys murky and worrying past..
Ok roll the clock on a few years and he goes to appeal.
SkyNews and the others then changed tack and we had reports of how the naughty police had fudged the evidence to wrongly convict him and how he was misunderstood and we should feel sorry for him etc etc, case goes to appeal and they let him out.
He then is interviewed by Kate Burley at SkyNews and given the top treatment.
A little while later he comes back to SkyNews under the pretence of wanting the video tape of the interview, he then begins to stalk Kate Burley and suddenly this real nice misjudged man is a threat to her and the police are called in and she goes off sick with stress for a month....
Shame isnt it, they did their best to let him go and now suddenly realise he is a threat to one of their staff,,,,,,
His guilt or any offence is not my decision but that of a court not a public one on TV either!

[ianhind]

Today's Daily Telegraph is reporting that "an airline withdrew this type of aircraft" - it carries on to say that SAS withdrew them because of undercarriage collapse problems. Eye-catching headline but of no relevance to this situation :brick:

No matter, more column inches filled.

[TSR2]

I always found it strange that Flybe could opperate them without incident, yet SAS have three UC problems in a year...

But yes, definately not relivent here.

[airboatr]

say, I have a question for those who know the plane , first hand if possible,

the Ice
the NTSB said in a report that a few seconds aftewr the flaps were set to 15 degrees the plane pitched up
and rolled ,( up and down back and forth , is not the point.)
could this be tied to the auto pilot , somehow, an incorrect setting.
would it be in use at the time to land the plane? ( i speculate it would in those conditions)
can the de icing boot be inflated for to long and allow ice to form on that configuration?

why would setting flaps cause such a violent reaction.
....................
since these are questions for general knowledge , speculation allowed,
I'm not wanting start a big deal , just wondering.

[TSR2]

Hi Joe, the thing is no one, with direct experience of the type could know as after setting flaps, for all we know one of the pilots could have collapsed on the controls causing that sort of reaction. From first hand experience of flying on the type (about 25 flights) I can assure you that there is no sudden pitching when selecting the flaps during a normal flight. ;-)

[DispatchDragon]

Joe

I asked your questions to someone here who has experieince with Q400s

Heres the short story

The flap setting was not of consequence - what is telling that early in the appraoch the crew asked "for lower" because they "were picking up ice and were
having difficulty seeing throught he windshield - IF the rime ice was already at the point where the windshield heat wasnt disappaiting it - then they were already in a lot of trouble - the amount of ice on the wings and tail surfaces would have been substantial.

the second item is that pneumatic deicing boots will break away accrued ice only to a certain point , if the icing conditions are very heavy (which it seems
they were by the reports of other aircraft) it is possible that if you run the boots continously you can build a "bubble" over which the ice continues to form
but is beyond the expansion point of the boot - meaning the boot is expanding and contracting inside the ice formation and NOT breaking it away.

the pitch breakaway occured more because of the weight of the ice and the disruption of the air flow over the wing than the flap setting - suppostion is that they slowed the aircraft to flap extension speed and at that point the weight and degradation of the airfoil was enough to make the aircraft stall.

Dont think I can but it in anymore lay terms than that

by the way the source is a company captain who flew Horizons Dash8 100s and Q400s in the NW - he said you would have to be deaf dumb and blind to
ignore such a heavy build up of ice

Leif


Leif