Cold War Jets Open Day

[Garry Russell]

They would need it before taking it into town..and a current MoT of course :roll:

Garry

[DaveB]

Late in it's life the Victor was re rigged with both ailerons slghtly up to move the centre of pressure and prolong wing life.

I didn't realise the Victor had this until I saw that shot. Aileron Upset ;-) HC will be au fait as the 10's have this jolly feature too

ATB

DaveB :tab:

[Garry Russell]

Hi Dave

I only read that myself this afternoon

Also the elevators were as well and made the Victor harder to handle as a result :think:

Garry

[Hot_Charlie]

Aileron Upset ;-) HC will be au fait as the 10's have this jolly feature too

ATB

DaveB :tab:

Indeed. I didn't know the Victor had it either. A later modification I believe.

[Techy111]

OK a video of Tina misbehaving....not the air shots....but worth a look see.....

^Removed*

Tony

"Edit" Might upset peeps.... :-(

[Chris558]

Tell me if I've missed this point, but on windy days, Aircraft are supposed to have ailerons applied whilst taxiing, i.e taxiing sideways to the wind flow, you'd turn your yoke/stick one way, and in t'other direction, the opposite way. I wonder if this would explain the left bank on 'take off'? As the nose was lifted, if the starboard aileron was downward, this would increase lift on that wing (and vice versa for other wing). The wind was coming from the Victors right, but I can't remember which way round it would be...

That, combined with the crosswind, must have blown her quite a way off over the runway. Then you see her bank right to get back on track with the wing tip close to the ground, just as the left one was when it got airborne.

Other than that, I wonder if a crosswind can influence the airflow over a wing, and create more lift...

[Hot_Charlie]

OK a video of Tina misbehaving....not the air shots....but worth a look see.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhtnJvOA ... onse_watch

Tony

And that video show's exactly why the line they took was a little ridiculous.


Nothing happened. Nothing happened at all. Even Wikipedia says so.

[Chris Trott]

My two questions on the matter are -

1) Why not keep the speedbrakes open? (spoils lift)
2) Why set the flaps to takeoff setting if the intention is not to take off?

I can understand them wanting to put on a show for the crowd, but the aircraft has multiple tools to ensure that flight is unlikely at any time and they don't appear to take some of the most basic ones, so to me it seems that this was really just a matter of time before it happened, but even then, I don't see any real harm done this time, but I do hope they'll rethink how they do things in the future to ensure that if it happens again it certainly doesn't have any chance of being any worse than simply a brief lifting from the runway and then touching back down and a normal stop, something that does occasionally happen during high speed test runs with normal aircraft.

[Hot_Charlie]

My two questions on the matter are -

1) Why not keep the speedbrakes open? (spoils lift)
2) Why set the flaps to takeoff setting if the intention is not to take off?

1) The airbrakes on the Victor are similar to the Buccaneer, ie, either side of the tail cone, so wouldn't spoil lift per se.

2) Possibly because any ODM based calculations with respect to the runway length, speeds etc, would be based on this configuration, and because this would be seen as the norm.

[Chris558]

I posted this on Techys gallery thread, but thought I'd sneak it in here too....

Here's one way to make sure Tina never teases us again...She'll never leave the ground in this condition..........