I am contemplating dusting off Mr Maltby's BAC 1-11 and taking to the virtual skies.
I do almost all of my flights on Vatsim as it provides great interaction but when flying an old bird like this I am concerned about the navigation. With modern rules I need to be flying an RNAV equipped aircraft. What do the currently flying BAC 1-11s use (eg the ones flying at ETPS )? Have they had an FMC fitted?
last question :roll: what do you chaps that fly on Vatsim do about this?
Well I dont know. im wondering how I can fly current RNAV routing with this plane. normally there days an fmc would be used to input the plans arrivals and departures. I guess computer systems are frowned upon a bit here but I am not sure of the best way to handle this to keep within the rules on vatsim its harder now just to fly vor to vor for example.
I use the 1-11 a lot. You can use the in-built FS GPS. Personally I use radio nav (VOR/DME and ADF) with en-route area charts. You can usually find something to base a leg on using a VOR somewhere adjacent and allowing a bit of offset or by using cross cuts from beacons to the side of your track.
The only "real-life" 1-11 flight deck I've seen for many a year is the Omani one at Fairford. There is a multi function display fitted on the pedestal which I presume is a GPS fit. Don't know if the aircraft is RVSM capable but if not, then you are limited to FL280 max which shouldn't be a problem on a typical 1-11 sector length. If you're doing some of the IT Charter classics from the 70's/80's down to Southern Spain, Sicily, Malta, North Africa and Greece this might give you a problem with fuel burn but in those days RVSM didn't exist so go for the best levels (normally 290/310 for the 500srs going up to 330/350 as you get the weight down or 330/350 for the 400srs).
Nige C
"Speed building both sides.....passing one hundred knots.....V1..rotate...oh sh*t..."
From a real world perspective -- the answer is NOT much -- we have several Non R Nav equipped aircraft operating for us
you just can fly RNAV SIDs and STARs everything remains the same -- as to FMS/FMC -- well those tend to break occasionally and can be flown without -- its called "pilotage" a concept which seems to be now lacking both in real world and now it seems in the Flight sim virtual world -- I have flown the 1-11 and Comet in Vatsim quite a lot and have had no problems ---- Bahhh humbug -- computers!!! who needs em??
DispatchDragon wrote:From a real world perspective -- the answer is NOT much -- we have several Non R Nav equipped aircraft operating for us
you just can fly RNAV SIDs and STARs everything remains the same -- as to FMS/FMC -- well those tend to break occasionally and can be flown without -- its called "pilotage" a concept which seems to be now lacking both in real world and now it seems in the Flight sim virtual world -- I have flown the 1-11 and Comet in Vatsim quite a lot and have had no problems ---- Bahhh humbug -- computers!!! who needs em??
:roll: ;-)
Leif
Agreed!!!! Last night on VATSIM using D-ALFA (DM's Hapag Lloyd 1-11 500) I flew the NIE5G SID out of EDDV manually (no autopilot to within +/- 5kts and +/- 100ft. Takes a lot of concentration, my partners question as to whether I wanted a coffee was responded to by a grunt, but it can be done. Two different generations of flying, FMC/AFCS is great for modern flying but not for the 1-11. If you want to simulate the 1-11 in its latter years, use the inbuilt FS GPS.
As a footnote, when I was with BIA, 2 of our -500s had a single OMEGA fit. The control unit was mounted at the rear of the pedestal (I used to play around with it on jump-seat trips!). Is there a FS9 OMEGA available anywhere?
Nigel C
"Speed building both sides.....passing one hundred knots.....V1..rotate...oh sh*t..."
