Outbreak of WWII

[nigelb]

Interesting to see all these views.

Regarding Pearl Harbour, the Japanese diplomatic code 'Purple' had been broken in September 1940 by an American team lead by William F. Friedman and in the period immediately prior to 7th December 1941, the US intelligence sevices were reading the messages to the Japanese embassy faster than the Japanese. On the morning of that day, Friedman, at home, walked around, shaking his head saying, 'But they knew.....They knew!' Everything else about this is a mystery - to this day!
Ralph

That fits my theory regarding Pearl Harbour. I think the British Intelligence source was from a German agent named Tricycle who was to gather intelligence on the US and in particular Hawaii and Pearl Harbour. "Sketch of the wharth, locations of power installations, petrol installations, workshops, details of the dry dock being built..." and so on. Now the Brits had turned Tricycle into a double agent as they did with all German agents ( but they did not know they had accomplished that feat until after the war) - from J.C Masterman's Book "The Double-Cross System" A fascinating read, btw.

Have a look at America's war record since 1945.
Ralph

Well let's see, We did invade the Dominican Republic in 1965 with success. Also Granada in 1983. Around 1989 we sent troops to Panama to capture Noriega and we succeeded. I am sure there are other incidents I have forgotten. Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan - not so good!

Nigel²

[airboatr]

well ... Vietnam... Korea .....contemporary American history
watch this vid, it about sums it up.
......watch till the end now, you'll just have to trust me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfi4s8cjLFI

Joe

[auster]

Nigelb,

Have you missed out on the greatest money-spinner of all? The so called Cold War?

The US KNEW from intelligence sources and aerial reconnaissance that the Soviet Union was in no position to wage an all out war against the West but the US armaments industry created this fear of Soviet attack in order to generate enormous financial sums for the ballistic missile programme.

Stalin was paranoid about another attack on the Soviet Union from the West which is why he built the defensive screen of all the countries to the west of Russia as buffers.

The so called Cold War was an American invention.

Ralph

[airboatr]

[Buggyman]

Ralp,

So far as I am aware the USSR never did repay its lend-lease bill, Uncle Jo Starlin didn't think anyone would really want to send in the bailiffs to try and enforce the debt!

To add insult to injury the USSR made exact copies of the B29 for their air force and - allegedly - the copies even had 'Boeing' stamped on the rudder pedals. They copied loads of other kit too without any attempt at licensing deals or any other form of legal framework.

Makes you wonder why we paid back our lend-lease bill doesn't it, especially when you think of the billions pumped into the European economies to staop them falling under the Soviet influence.


Allan

[nigelb]

Nigelb,

Have you missed out on the greatest money-spinner of all? The so called Cold War?

The US KNEW from intelligence sources and aerial reconnaissance that the Soviet Union was in no position to wage an all out war against the West but the US armaments industry created this fear of Soviet attack in order to generate enormous financial sums for the ballistic missile programme.

Stalin was paranoid about another attack on the Soviet Union from the West which is why he built the defensive screen of all the countries to the west of Russia as buffers.

The so called Cold War was an American invention.

Ralph

Ah, thats what I forgot! Chronologically chalenged, you see. Yes, the military industrial complex went berserk - just as Eisenhower had warned. Very profitable for certain corporations, though. I never realized the Russians were such a menace until we arrived in the US and they actually had us practicing ducking under our desks in school ..... just in case. Made me feel a lot safer, I am certain those wooden desks would have blocked any nuclear bomb.

Nigel²

[airboatr]

wow who would have ever thunk it.

after reading all these post I'm abandoning all other sources for factual information.........

as if..


thanks for the chair Ben.

[Paul K]

wow who would have ever thunk it.

after reading all these post I'm abandoning all other sources for factual information.........

as if..


thanks for the chair Ben.

Aye , its a two-way street though. In July, I was in Pittsburgh and while we ate in the beautiful restaurant that was once the P. & L.E railway station, I was told that the skylight windows above us were blacked out during the war as an air raid precaution. That I could accept...but not the next assertion that Pittsburgh actually suffered air raids! I kid you not.

A few years ago, I was told that the Spitfire would never have been a successful aircraft, had not the Bell and Vought aircraft companies taken early examples and developed them. I was also reliably informed that the bulk of Spitfire production was carried out in the USA. Additionally I was also asked... where the hell were the British on D-Day ??

Ain't the web 'fun' at times?!

[airboatr]

Ain't the web 'fun' at times?!

oh AYe

so's getting kicked in the nads playing football for some

oh me oh my ..........wheres the love.

[nigelb]

Aye , its a two-way street though. In July, I was in Pittsburgh and while we ate in the beautiful restaurant that was once the P. & L.E railway station, I was told that the skylight windows above us were blacked out during the war as an air raid precaution. That I could accept...but not the next assertion that Pittsburgh actually suffered air raids! I kid you not.

Ain't the web 'fun' at times?!

The only time Pittsburgh was bombed was after the last Super Bowl!

Nigel²