To go back to Peter's comments - ACES was told that FSX was to be the "first coat tail cutter" version with FS11 being the other to remove all evidence of the original BAO coding and work out of the program. Basically, they were trying to rid themselves of the non-standard AIR file and move to a file system that used more common format while also getting the last of the graphics processes that were being handled by the CPU off to the GPU. Much of the second part required them to depend heavily on DX10 coming to them on time and doing what it promised. Since DX10 did not deliver, they had to re-write the code at the last minute and make it DX9-based. This caused a lot of the improvements they wanted in to be removed and others to be compromised so they were back on the CPU instead of the GPU. Then they decided at the beginning of the project not to support multi-core processors because they weren't sure if they were going to catch on like they did and that further handicapped them.
In all, the point is - they were moving in the right direction, but external factors (mainly DX10 and their deadline to release with Vista) forced them to do things that compromised the final product.
ACES team reforming...?
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Re: ACES team reforming...?
The team composition for FSX was NOT the same as for FS9... Many of the FS9 team had left and been replaced, including the head man. I beta tested both products.
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Re: ACES team reforming...?
The information I have from inside MS Corp (not any of the other parts of the company) is that the team was "largely" the same, with augmented numbers. Certainly what I have been told is that 90% of the staff who developed FS9 were on the team for FSX. Given this info will have an MS slant on it, but if I take it at face value I'd say that was more of the same team than not?
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Re: ACES team reforming...?
Hey guys, stop with the negative waves for FSX or I'll have to strap some drain pipe on my plane!
I've been a follower of Flightsim since the C64 and Sublogic. I also had their Submarine simulator, anyone remember that!
I've enjoyed every version of FS. I stalled at FS2000 because my setup couldn't run it. So I waited. Then last year upgraded my system and purchased FSX.
FSX is great, but then so is FS2004 and all before.
Don't knock MS for FS as that's why we are where we are today.
I wish Aerosoft well but it's not going to be easy to persuade someone like me to change sims. I've invested too much on this one.
Maybe in 3-5 years time? But as long as the spirit survives I'll probably be flying.
I've been a follower of Flightsim since the C64 and Sublogic. I also had their Submarine simulator, anyone remember that!
I've enjoyed every version of FS. I stalled at FS2000 because my setup couldn't run it. So I waited. Then last year upgraded my system and purchased FSX.
FSX is great, but then so is FS2004 and all before.
Don't knock MS for FS as that's why we are where we are today.
I wish Aerosoft well but it's not going to be easy to persuade someone like me to change sims. I've invested too much on this one.
Maybe in 3-5 years time? But as long as the spirit survives I'll probably be flying.
Re: ACES team reforming...?
It's worth giving them time to establish themselves without dismissing them just yet - of course that might be the end result but you never know. Hopefully they will have learned as much from FSX as we have.
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Re: ACES team reforming...?
Hi Folks
You can see the entire list of FSX team members
by looking at the in game menu -> Help -> About -> Credits,
(or at the Credits.rtf file located in the FSX root folder).
Neither Rick Selby or Kathie Flood are listed.
Guess similar list may be available in FS9.
HTH
ATB
Paul
You can see the entire list of FSX team members
by looking at the in game menu -> Help -> About -> Credits,
(or at the Credits.rtf file located in the FSX root folder).
Neither Rick Selby or Kathie Flood are listed.
Guess similar list may be available in FS9.
HTH
ATB
Paul

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Re: ACES team reforming...?
Rick was originally FS but moved over to the TrainSim part of ACES when they started work on the first one with KUJU. After TS1 came out, he worked on FSX until TS2 development started and then moved back over. Don't know Kathie.
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Here is the FS9 Team:-
Flight Simulator 2004:
A Century of Flight
Art
Jason Waskey
Aaron O’Bryan-Herriott
Adrian Woods
Andrew Osarczuk (Art Source)
Big Sesh Studios
Chris Banks (S&T Onsite)
Corey Keller
Dave Adams (Art Source)
Dave Han (S&T Onsite)
Donnovan Webb (S&T Onsite)
Jessica Lowe (Art Source)
Jill Cammarano
John Smith (Art Source)
Ken Studebaker (Art Source)
Kevin Boisen
Kevin Occhiuto (Art Source)
Peter Zahn
Rick Hudson
Ryan Greene (S&T Onsite)
Zygote Media Group
Business Development
Bruce Williams
Scott Andersen
Development
Victor Santodomingo
Aaron Dubin
Adam Szofran
Alexander Martynov
Breen Hagan
Bretton Wade
Dave Denhart
Gene Vaatveit
Igor A. Braginskiy
Jason Dent
Jim Scott
Joe Stacy
John Kane (Siemens Business Services Inc)
Kerim Erden (Siemens Business Services Inc)
Lyndon Kidwell (Siemens Business Services Inc)
Mike Schroeter
Niniane Wang
Rafael Cintron
Steve Lacey
Steve Setzler
Tim Hoar
Todd Laney
Tom Powers (Volt Services Group)
Geographic Data
Jan Zukin-Neutz
Bill Chism (S&T Onsite)
Colleen Caffrey (S&T Onsite)
Julia Roberts (S&T Onsite)
Kevin Marzec (Aditi)
Michael Taylor (S&T Onsite)
Nathan Foley (S&T Onsite)
Ryan Otto (S&T Onsite)
Tom Edwards (Geopolitical Strategist)
Yehong Zhong (S&T Onsite)
Localization
Yasmine Nelson
Victoria Olson
Atsushi Miyake
Bernard Morgan
Chae Seong Lim
Christopher Cowen (Litho)
David Foster
Ian Walsh
Jason Shirley
Ji Young Kim
Jonathon Young
Kaoru Ito
Kazuyuki Shibuya
Michael J. Maguire
Min Woo Lee
Munetaka Fuse
Phoenix Chang (Adia)
Sachiko Nagasawa
Sang Kyu Rhee
Souichiro Shimano (ManPower)
Takayoshi Asahina
Takayuki Tsuchiya
Whi Young Yoon
Won Kyoung Kim
Yoon Hee Jung
Yoshitomo Tomatsu (Japan Convention Service)
Yuko Yoshida
Yutaka Hasegawa
Sound
Barry Dowsett (Weird Music)
Test
Brent Conklin
Caleb Cha
Chris Robinson (Volt Services Group)
Dave Paul Collins (Volt Services Group)
Dustin Stroh (Volt Services Group)
Greg Swanson
Hal Bryan
In Taek Song
Jason Mangold
Jason Wohlfeil (Volt Services Group)
Jeff Felker (Volt Services Group)
John Hansen
Jon Bach (Volt Services Group)
Jon Stanley
Karie Daniel
Khoi Duong (Volt Services Group)
Leann Coker (Volt Services Group)
Mehdi Slaoui Andaloussi
Michelle Schultz-Schroud
Mike Lambert
Nicholas Sardo (Volt Services Group)
Norah Hogoboom (Solutions IQ)
Patrick Ascolese
Patrick Barker
Roy McMillion
Ryan Malgren (Volt Services Group)
Scott Grant
Shih-Chieh Lu (Volt Services Group)
Steve Alliston
Steve Wilson
TJ Duez
Tom McDowell
Tony Bradley
Will Allen (Solutions IQ)
Yaqub Bandey (Volt Services Group)
Packaging
Duane Colbert
Lisa Krost
Print Design
Jeannie Voirin
Ginny Baldwin (ArtSource)
Product Management
Darryl Saunders
Leslie McBride
Product Support
Anthony Walp
Program Management
Ken Lavering
Mike Gilbert
Kevin Griffin
Paul Lange (Solutions IQ)
User Experience
Marty Blaker
Anita Crotty (Volt Services Group)
Brian Hunt
Byron Ricks (Volt Services Group)
Kerby Kuykendall (The WebForge)
Mike Singer
Tyler Mays (Volt Services Group)
User Test (Usability)
Tom Lorusso
Bill Fulton
Boyd Morrison
ABL Development (Lessons)
Advent Aviation Software
Aircraft Consultation
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA); Frederick, MD
Al Blake
The Boeing Company; Seattle, WA
Bombardier Aerospace Flight Operations, Business Aircraft, Commercial Aircraft,
and de Havilland aircraft divisions; Wichita, KS
Cessna Aircraft Company; Wichita and Independence, KS
Classic Helicopters; Seattle, WA
Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA); Oshkosh, WI
FlightSafety Boeing; Seattle, WA
FlightSafety International, Cessna Caravan training division; Wichita, KS
Galvin Flying Service; Seattle, WA
Jeppesen Sanderson; Englewood, CO
John LaNoue
Kenmore Air Harbor (S60); Kenmore, WA
Peter McMillan
Raytheon Aircraft Company; Wichita, KS
Seaplane Pilots Association; Lakeland, FL
Systems Management, Inc.; Hunt Valley, MD
ATC Voices
Barry Dowsett
Brian Hunt
Caitlin Sullivan
Christine Hill
Hal Bryan
Kathy Osborne
Kevin Boisen
Kevin Griffin
Mike Singer
Michael Zyskowski
Flight Instruction Consultation
Rod Machado, ATP, CFII
Author, humorist, and educator,
and AOPA National CFI Spokesman
Meteorological Consultation
Jeff Renner
Keith Brown
Michael Witiw
Miriam Rorig
Place Name Pronunciations for ATC Audio
Many thanks to the Microsoft employees and Microsoft friends who helped us with place names
Ali Basit
Andrew Fomichev
David Orban
Devrim Okurgan
Herry Sutanto
Humberto Castaneda
Jaroslav Dunajsky
Jiyoung Lee
Kresimir Bozic
Lars Nielsen
Marion Kremer
Paula Barreto de Mattos
Paulo De Oliveira
Taso Lagos
Yasmine Nelson
Special Thanks
Bill Turner
Dan Smith
Elden Lange
Fantasy of Flight
Flight Simulator 2004 Beta Testers
Gary Allen
George Daubner
George Kirkish
H. D. Bryan
Hal Small
Harvey Airfield
Jesse Douthit
Jim Armstrong
Kermit Weeks
Kevin Panter
Marty Kimbrell
Michael Narayan
Mike Abrash and Mike Sartain (RAD Game Tools)
Mike Kimbrell
Robin Reid
Ronald R. Paine
Sean Elliot
Skeeter Carlson
Steve Barton
Tom Wathen
Una Watts
Wayne Welch
“3 Point Landing” video courtesy of the Griffin Family - filmed at Cabin Creek, ID
Video Production: King Schools, Inc.
Martha R. King
John V. King
David Jackson
Ken Terry
Dan Wagner
Travis Daniels
Management Team
Vice President of Game Publishing
Ed Fries
PC Games General Manager
Stuart Moulder
ACES Product Unit Manager
Shawn Firminger
ACES Business Development Manager
Mike Geertsen
ACES Group Program Manager
Charlie Peterson
ACES Development Manager
Carl Edlund
ACES Art Director
Rick Welsh
ACES Test Manager
Michelle Schultz-Schroud
ACES Group Assistant
Amy Wagner
Natalie French
Flight Simulator 2004:
A Century of Flight
Art
Jason Waskey
Aaron O’Bryan-Herriott
Adrian Woods
Andrew Osarczuk (Art Source)
Big Sesh Studios
Chris Banks (S&T Onsite)
Corey Keller
Dave Adams (Art Source)
Dave Han (S&T Onsite)
Donnovan Webb (S&T Onsite)
Jessica Lowe (Art Source)
Jill Cammarano
John Smith (Art Source)
Ken Studebaker (Art Source)
Kevin Boisen
Kevin Occhiuto (Art Source)
Peter Zahn
Rick Hudson
Ryan Greene (S&T Onsite)
Zygote Media Group
Business Development
Bruce Williams
Scott Andersen
Development
Victor Santodomingo
Aaron Dubin
Adam Szofran
Alexander Martynov
Breen Hagan
Bretton Wade
Dave Denhart
Gene Vaatveit
Igor A. Braginskiy
Jason Dent
Jim Scott
Joe Stacy
John Kane (Siemens Business Services Inc)
Kerim Erden (Siemens Business Services Inc)
Lyndon Kidwell (Siemens Business Services Inc)
Mike Schroeter
Niniane Wang
Rafael Cintron
Steve Lacey
Steve Setzler
Tim Hoar
Todd Laney
Tom Powers (Volt Services Group)
Geographic Data
Jan Zukin-Neutz
Bill Chism (S&T Onsite)
Colleen Caffrey (S&T Onsite)
Julia Roberts (S&T Onsite)
Kevin Marzec (Aditi)
Michael Taylor (S&T Onsite)
Nathan Foley (S&T Onsite)
Ryan Otto (S&T Onsite)
Tom Edwards (Geopolitical Strategist)
Yehong Zhong (S&T Onsite)
Localization
Yasmine Nelson
Victoria Olson
Atsushi Miyake
Bernard Morgan
Chae Seong Lim
Christopher Cowen (Litho)
David Foster
Ian Walsh
Jason Shirley
Ji Young Kim
Jonathon Young
Kaoru Ito
Kazuyuki Shibuya
Michael J. Maguire
Min Woo Lee
Munetaka Fuse
Phoenix Chang (Adia)
Sachiko Nagasawa
Sang Kyu Rhee
Souichiro Shimano (ManPower)
Takayoshi Asahina
Takayuki Tsuchiya
Whi Young Yoon
Won Kyoung Kim
Yoon Hee Jung
Yoshitomo Tomatsu (Japan Convention Service)
Yuko Yoshida
Yutaka Hasegawa
Sound
Barry Dowsett (Weird Music)
Test
Brent Conklin
Caleb Cha
Chris Robinson (Volt Services Group)
Dave Paul Collins (Volt Services Group)
Dustin Stroh (Volt Services Group)
Greg Swanson
Hal Bryan
In Taek Song
Jason Mangold
Jason Wohlfeil (Volt Services Group)
Jeff Felker (Volt Services Group)
John Hansen
Jon Bach (Volt Services Group)
Jon Stanley
Karie Daniel
Khoi Duong (Volt Services Group)
Leann Coker (Volt Services Group)
Mehdi Slaoui Andaloussi
Michelle Schultz-Schroud
Mike Lambert
Nicholas Sardo (Volt Services Group)
Norah Hogoboom (Solutions IQ)
Patrick Ascolese
Patrick Barker
Roy McMillion
Ryan Malgren (Volt Services Group)
Scott Grant
Shih-Chieh Lu (Volt Services Group)
Steve Alliston
Steve Wilson
TJ Duez
Tom McDowell
Tony Bradley
Will Allen (Solutions IQ)
Yaqub Bandey (Volt Services Group)
Packaging
Duane Colbert
Lisa Krost
Print Design
Jeannie Voirin
Ginny Baldwin (ArtSource)
Product Management
Darryl Saunders
Leslie McBride
Product Support
Anthony Walp
Program Management
Ken Lavering
Mike Gilbert
Kevin Griffin
Paul Lange (Solutions IQ)
User Experience
Marty Blaker
Anita Crotty (Volt Services Group)
Brian Hunt
Byron Ricks (Volt Services Group)
Kerby Kuykendall (The WebForge)
Mike Singer
Tyler Mays (Volt Services Group)
User Test (Usability)
Tom Lorusso
Bill Fulton
Boyd Morrison
ABL Development (Lessons)
Advent Aviation Software
Aircraft Consultation
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA); Frederick, MD
Al Blake
The Boeing Company; Seattle, WA
Bombardier Aerospace Flight Operations, Business Aircraft, Commercial Aircraft,
and de Havilland aircraft divisions; Wichita, KS
Cessna Aircraft Company; Wichita and Independence, KS
Classic Helicopters; Seattle, WA
Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA); Oshkosh, WI
FlightSafety Boeing; Seattle, WA
FlightSafety International, Cessna Caravan training division; Wichita, KS
Galvin Flying Service; Seattle, WA
Jeppesen Sanderson; Englewood, CO
John LaNoue
Kenmore Air Harbor (S60); Kenmore, WA
Peter McMillan
Raytheon Aircraft Company; Wichita, KS
Seaplane Pilots Association; Lakeland, FL
Systems Management, Inc.; Hunt Valley, MD
ATC Voices
Barry Dowsett
Brian Hunt
Caitlin Sullivan
Christine Hill
Hal Bryan
Kathy Osborne
Kevin Boisen
Kevin Griffin
Mike Singer
Michael Zyskowski
Flight Instruction Consultation
Rod Machado, ATP, CFII
Author, humorist, and educator,
and AOPA National CFI Spokesman
Meteorological Consultation
Jeff Renner
Keith Brown
Michael Witiw
Miriam Rorig
Place Name Pronunciations for ATC Audio
Many thanks to the Microsoft employees and Microsoft friends who helped us with place names
Ali Basit
Andrew Fomichev
David Orban
Devrim Okurgan
Herry Sutanto
Humberto Castaneda
Jaroslav Dunajsky
Jiyoung Lee
Kresimir Bozic
Lars Nielsen
Marion Kremer
Paula Barreto de Mattos
Paulo De Oliveira
Taso Lagos
Yasmine Nelson
Special Thanks
Bill Turner
Dan Smith
Elden Lange
Fantasy of Flight
Flight Simulator 2004 Beta Testers
Gary Allen
George Daubner
George Kirkish
H. D. Bryan
Hal Small
Harvey Airfield
Jesse Douthit
Jim Armstrong
Kermit Weeks
Kevin Panter
Marty Kimbrell
Michael Narayan
Mike Abrash and Mike Sartain (RAD Game Tools)
Mike Kimbrell
Robin Reid
Ronald R. Paine
Sean Elliot
Skeeter Carlson
Steve Barton
Tom Wathen
Una Watts
Wayne Welch
“3 Point Landing” video courtesy of the Griffin Family - filmed at Cabin Creek, ID
Video Production: King Schools, Inc.
Martha R. King
John V. King
David Jackson
Ken Terry
Dan Wagner
Travis Daniels
Management Team
Vice President of Game Publishing
Ed Fries
PC Games General Manager
Stuart Moulder
ACES Product Unit Manager
Shawn Firminger
ACES Business Development Manager
Mike Geertsen
ACES Group Program Manager
Charlie Peterson
ACES Development Manager
Carl Edlund
ACES Art Director
Rick Welsh
ACES Test Manager
Michelle Schultz-Schroud
ACES Group Assistant
Amy Wagner
Natalie French
Regards,

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