Envelopes

The Crewroom for non-FS related stuff, fun and general chat.

Moderators: Guru's, The Ministry

Post Reply
User avatar
DanKH
Battle of Britain
Battle of Britain
Posts: 3526
Joined: 02 Dec 2004, 10:53
Location: EKCH, Denmark
Contact:

Envelopes

Post by DanKH »

How to you calculate an aircraft's flight envelope?

Or is and ATC matter, and if so has it changed from the sixties-seventies until now?
Best Rgds
Dan
Image
Image Image
Who's General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?

emfrat
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 938
Joined: 09 Jul 2008, 07:09
Location: 50 DME West of Brisbane, Ugarapul and Kitabul country in Sunny Qld

Re: Envelopes

Post by emfrat »

Cheers Dan -
The separation rules are set by the ICAO and ATC monitors flights using them.
They were revised quite recently.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/hea ... oute/rvsm/

The term "flight envelope" usually means "performance envelope", i.e the stress limits within which the aircraft must be kept, or it breaks up, or falls out of the sky and then breaks up.
I believe the designers graph all the factors, and the clear patch enclosed by the lines is called the envelope.
ATB
MikeW

SkippyBing
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 1460
Joined: 30 Aug 2006, 18:21

Re: Envelopes

Post by SkippyBing »

Or is and ATC matter
Never trust ATC, they're not in the aircraft....
Image

User avatar
DanKH
Battle of Britain
Battle of Britain
Posts: 3526
Joined: 02 Dec 2004, 10:53
Location: EKCH, Denmark
Contact:

Re: Envelopes

Post by DanKH »

OK, thanks

So it is actually the performance envelope (minALT, maxALT) I'm after for various aircrafts such as:

DC910
DC940
DC862
DC10
B742

Just to pick 5 totally random ;)

minRwyLen would also be nice to know .... *-) .. I know that depends on weather, AirportLvl and several other parameters, but I guess there is a de facto "standard" dry conditions etc. etc.
Best Rgds
Dan
Image
Image Image
Who's General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?

emfrat
Concorde
Concorde
Posts: 938
Joined: 09 Jul 2008, 07:09
Location: 50 DME West of Brisbane, Ugarapul and Kitabul country in Sunny Qld

Re: Envelopes

Post by emfrat »

Hi Dan -
I don't know if FAA certifications are in the public domain and available online, but that would be one place to look.
A search here would produce heaps of info too, I expect
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/ ... 01842.html

but take care, it is one of those fascinating websites where you start reading one thing, and suddenly it's days later, nothing has been done around the house, and you have forgotten what it was you first came in for :lol: :agree:

Cheers
MikeW

User avatar
BAe146
Viscount
Viscount
Posts: 111
Joined: 25 Apr 2005, 07:10
Location: Denver, CO

Re: Envelopes

Post by BAe146 »

"Mankind has a perfect record in Aviation, We've never left anyone up there."

User avatar
Chris Trott
Vintage Pair
Vintage Pair
Posts: 2592
Joined: 26 Jun 2004, 05:16
Location: Houston, Texas, USA
Contact:

Re: Envelopes

Post by Chris Trott »

Much of the information you're looking for is available here -

Type Certificate Data Sheets

Search by aircraft model (be specific too) and you'll get the information. If you need more, lemme know, I know a couple of other FAA databases that can help for post-production freighter modifications and the similar.

Also, as for how you calculate it, it's simple - that's what the test flights are for. :) The engineers who design the plane calculate what they think it is, but then the test flights prove it.

Post Reply