Barcelona oops!

[TSR2]

Somebody somewhere was clearly having a Toffee Crisp and not doing their job...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28195337

[Garry Russell]

Interesting...that still was used in an article I read earlier about a similar incident at Newark/Liberty.

No wonder I couldn't properlt tie in the article with the pic

[airboatr]

Hi Ben,
There is a video in you tube, (hope you can watch) that has the landing after the go around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... N5THRSp4hM

Some excellent wing flex in there as the 767 landed.
I'm fascinated with the way the loads transfer from the wings - to the wheels - suspension - and the airframe.


notice the wiggle in the 767 as it was pulling up, aprox 38 sec to 41 sec.
or is it the heat shimmer from the airbus.

anyway , fascinating ... and scary

[Airspeed]

Looked like a wobble to me, too, Joe.
I was bothered by the fact that the Aerolinas Argentina words were smudged out in the side view, just a blue fuzz. In the "later landing" video, those words are clearly readable .
I'm also confused (not hard to confuse me) because the registration on the UTair fuselage starts with VQ- . According to a listing of international prefixes, nobody uses VQ; VR, yes, and the under-port wing marking 158 OA means what? I am obviously way out of touch...I thought the full rego. was applied under the wings.
And why is a Russian airline flying Boeings ?

[TSR2]

Russian airlines have been flying Boeing and Airbus for decades Mike. If they didn't they would be very limited as to where they can fly as most of their own kit doesn't comply with ICAO rules anymore.

[DaveB]

You mean they comply with ICAO rules??



Only watched the vid and have no knowledge of who did what (eg.. did ground control send the aircraft across the active runway) but if GC DID send the aircraft across the active runway (a huge error in itself noting what was on finals).. it was certainly poor (read non-existent) awareness/observation from the crew. This could have been a much different story had visibility been poor

ATB
DaveB

[Garry Russell]

Yes..Russian western types are Irish or Bermua registered. Used to be French Overseas...F-O

Bermuda is VP-Bxx and VQ-Bxx, VQ-B has been in use for years.

Bermuda could,only use VP-Bxx which limits the ammout. VP-Cxx is Cayman Islands. So they got issued with VQ-Bxx as well.

Note it is VP/VQ-Bxx it's only two letters that are variable. The registration can be re used and often are.

VR- was British colonial as indeed VP- has always been too, and all VR- were changed to VP when HK went back to China so that the HK VR- series would no longer be British.

VR-B (Bermuda) VR-C (Cayman) VR-F (Falklands) VR-G (Gibraltar..not used), VR-H Hong Kong to give examples which were changed

As soon as Hong Kong went to China they changed all the VR-H@@ registration to B-H@@, so it was a pointless excercise

There are more Airbusses in Russia than Boeings.

[Airspeed]

Thank you all, Gentlemen.
Certainly wasn't aware of the failure to meet standards.
Special thanks Garry, I was convinced there'd be a contribution from your part of the World.
I mis-read the list, which indeed includes:
VH - Australia
VN - Vietnam
VP-F - Falklands
VR-B / VP-B / VQ-B - Bermuda
VR-C - Cayman Islands
VR-H - Hong Kong (Former reg.)
Missing the details after the /s probably explains why I have trouble with instructions, I re-read them several times, getting it wrong every time!

The offshore registration does what - ensures compliance with international rules, because they don't trust anything registered in Russia?

BTW, anybody notice that I actually looked at something about jets? I'll make another appointment with the doctor.

[Garry Russell]

Hi Mike

Odd list as VR-B and VR-C shouldn't be there. Looks like it dates form the late nineties.

China uses three suffix sets.

B-four numbers for China, B-five numbers for Formosa and B-Htwo letters for Hong Kong, the old VR-H without the VR

The western aircraft operated in Russia are all leased. Using EI or VP-B registrations is very common. Most of Alitalia is EI registered and many fleets arround the world are registered in Ireland.

There is no need to get the type Russian certification as they have no intent on buying any.

The leased aircraft can be and in Aeroflots case, are returned now and then and others take their place. Easy, adjustable fleet...just pay the montly rent and get on with it.

The main reason why they don't use Russian types aprat from a few new ones is not so much regulations stopping them, or though in some cases that might be the case, it is more do do with economics. They just can't compete with Western types. How would you get on operating an IL-62, 76 or 86 against a Boeing 777 or A.330??. Easy option is to rent what the other boys are using until maybe, one day your own guys might come up with something better. They still do use some of the older Russian types but they have gone from the main international routes.

Even though nowadays there is problems with allowing some Russian types into some European airports, the swing to Western types had already happened before this.

Even in the early nineties, from about soon after the break up of the USSR, Aeroflot were using Airbus A.310 and this led onto Boeing 767s followed by other types. It was a gentle evolution not an overnight jump to the West. They just re equiped as normal, but with Western types. Some Airlines were happy to use Soviet types and still are where there is perhaps no direct Western replacement. IL-76, AN-124, An-224.

[Molyned]

... and for the likers of trivia, the airport is named 'El Prat'
Cheers
Dave M(oly)