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Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 11:13
by Garry Russell
Hi Mike

Glad to see you here :smile:

At least with your frame friendly models we can populate the skies and airports with great AI of rarer subjects

You have also given the community some types that is difficult to imagine they would ever have been made by anyone else.

Everyone has opinions but you have made the models for yourself and anyone else that want them.

At least you have stuck to doing it your way.
:smile:

Garry

Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 20:19
by Jonbouy
MikeStone wrote:Before I even get started, to my many supporters over the years, I want to say thank you. I appreciate it. Even if it may not seem like it at times....

....Revered? I've certainly never claimed the title. Or any other title for that matter.
Hi Mike

Blimey, I never expected my ranting views to contribute to stirring up enough mud to elicit a response from yourself.

Of course you are revered, at least amongst flightsim community, and rightly so if for nothing else than your prolific output over the years. I've spent countless hours happily flying your creations over the years and still have the Bristol Freighter, Goose, Catalina and the little Saab turbo still active in my hangar.

I really respected your response on this thread, as because I stated earlier I have had a bit trouble with some of your views sounding a bit brusque at times, so what. Views are views vive la difference we're all free to express them. I am impressed that you took the trouble coming over here and putting your case. I now feel a little closer to Mike Stone the gentleman and the post has gone toward disassembling the grumpy old man vision I've built up in my own head over the years. :lol: As they say it takes one to know one. :huf:

Sure, I have had my share of 'bozo' emails over the years for activities other than those to do with THIS particular hobby of mine and I understand the frustrations they can cause, but I do try not to lose sleep over them. Only having inflicted one freeware model to date on the unsuspecting public (an ATL 98 Carvair btw ) I have yet to encounter anything but positive feedback to date on that front, but I'm sure with a few more releases behind me I'll be buying you a beer and devising ingenious methods of stringing the burgers up by the spheres alongside you.

btw now I feel more secure in the knowledge that you can take a bit of constructive critisicm in your stride, with regard to your Carvair, there is only one 'T' in British :-#

Sincerely, Mike all the best in what you do and thanks again for what you have done.

Respect.

Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:20
by MikeStone
No worries mate. I just want some folks to hop the fence and look at things from the other side.

No matter how much a person says "I'm not going to let it bother me", it eventually does. You may put on a suit of body armor which stops the bullets, but every one puts a little dent in the armor. And it adds up over time. I've been doing this for six years now, and I've taken a lot of bullets.

And its not just the silly little "The nose is the wrong shape" complaints that really get to you. It's the people out there who turn it into a personal vendetta. Take one Dave Anderson for instance. This....uh....person, has not only made it his life's mission to deride my work, but also seems bent on a highly personal and vicious character assassination. And there are others. Anyone that knows me knows I'm as far away from politically correct as you can get, and I am not the least bit prudish. But man, even I'd feel embarrassed to write some of the notes I've received.

So, has it made me defensive? Yep. Being attacked constantly does that to you. Has it made me grumpy. You betcha. Has it taken the fun out of it. Absolutely. Which is why I the hangar doors are closed. Well, part way anyway.

Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:33
by tonymadge
Its a shame when an asshole can cause so much grief, for what reason is only known to him.
Good to see you about though Mike and will be watching for whatever "squeezes" out of them half shut hanger doors :smile:

Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:46
by Brian Franklin
Hmmmmm, lawnmowers for FS9... now there's a thought. Seriously Mike, I loved your parallel and oh man is that true.

It's really a shame when this kind of reaction to your work finally overwhelms you, but you will be greatly missed by the sim'mers who really matter (the vast majority).

Take care mate and put a little fun back into your hobby before that too becomes a museum piece.

Brian

Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 18:10
by Jonbouy
MikeStone wrote: None of you really know me. What makes me tick. Even though you may think you do......

It's so easy to judge someone, when you haven't walked in their shoes...
Like yourself I'm not a ki$$ a$$ kind of person but I'd never judge a person by the tip of the iceberg that the internet can disclose. I may have a pop at the bit that sticks out 'cause I don't like the look of it but it's never a reflection on the complete individual. I take my share too it goes with the territory of having a big mouth like mine. :-#
But as you say some people take it way too far and don't realise, when they point the finger, its their own shite they are talking to. Scary stuff!!!

MikeStone wrote: Which is why I the hangar doors are closed. Well, part way anyway.
That does sound hopeful that we can get into that little gap in the door you've left there and maybe let a bit more light in. :wink:
And being as I mentioned the old Bristol Freighter, being a Brit and all living close to EGMD, I don't suppose you have any research material on the 'Mk 32 SuperFreighter' lying around from the development of the MK31, or maybe you would..... Nah that is stretching your good nature too far. :kissu:

Regards

Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 18:12
by Garry Russell
Johnbouy

As mentioned in an earlier thread

A Superfreighter is on the go :worried:

But don't tell anyone :-$

Garry

Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 18:17
by Jonbouy
Garry Russell wrote:Johnbouy

As mentioned in an earlier thread

A Superfreighter is on the go :worried:

But don't tell anyone :-$

Garry
Yay, and by the way......Mums the word :-$

My criteria for criticism

Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 22:17
by Adrian Wainer
If a person puts an aircraft together for other people to use and doesn't charge for it, all other things being equal I would not feel any right to criticise him or her if it was seriously inaccurate in someway, if the inaccuracy upset me I just would not use it and if the inaccuracy did not upset me, I would use it. I like things to be accurate but part of simming is also to use a little imagination, so I can cope with things not being exactly perfect e.g. the aersoft New York "Mahattan" is a super product but even though it is payware it could not possably reproduce every building in that city because to do so would be impossably expensive to write the software and one would need a supercomputer to run it.

http://www.aerosoft.com/cgi-local/us/ib ... 50,FS02021

besides before one opens one's mouth to critise something, one should allways bear in mind one might be wrong and the other guy right. One thing that ruins a lot of films about World War 2 for me, is to see the Heer [ German Army ] and Waffen SS rideing round in Allied tanks and APCs e.g. white half tracks and I had one film ruined for me, particularly because otherwise it was a truly excellent picture because the German army tank crew were rideing around in a Soviet Assault tank, and boy did I feel a fool a couple of months later haveing bought an Encyclopedia of German tanks to see that exact model Assault tank as featured in the film in German colours, apparently the Third Reich captured so much Soviet equipment in the fighting in Russia, that they were able to equip their own units with it.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/sovie.htm

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 23:37
by igorski
Mike.

Thanks.

I have a funny feeling I, or one of my team, will still be painting you creations for some time to come :smile: