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First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 30 Jul 2010, 15:05
by J0hn
hard to imagine the mess one of these crashing would make. Unfortunately 4 crew killed.
LINKY
Crashed at Elmendorf - I do a lot of flying from there in FSX, and use it regularly as an Air Hauler base. It's very nice with add-on scenery and UTX Alaska. With UT2, it's usually full of FedEx and UPS MD-11s, though. I think TrafficX combi pack put a few C-17s there.
Funny that - I also often use Kasteli as an AH base in FSX - and the Red Arrows had their latest coming together there as well (cue startup X-Files music...
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J.
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 30 Jul 2010, 15:14
by Garry Russell
Very sad and my thoughts to the familes........but the first fatal crash in all those years for a military aerolpne is a very good record
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 31 Jul 2010, 00:22
by Paul K
How awful. I think the C-17 is such a fine aircraft, and I wonder what went wrong.
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 31 Jul 2010, 03:36
by DispatchDragon
Paul
As they were preparing for an airshow.....I think its a fair assumption that the crew out performed the aircraft -- much as a certain USAG officer did with a B52 several years ago.
Leif
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 31 Jul 2010, 12:02
by Paul K
DispatchDragon wrote:Paul
As they were preparing for an airshow.....I think its a fair assumption that the crew out performed the aircraft -- much as a certain USAG officer did with a B52 several years ago.
Leif
Yep Leif, the mention of an airshow brought that B-52 accident to my mind too.
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 31 Jul 2010, 23:01
by Chris Trott
One major difference - THESE GUYS WEREN'T PROBLEM "CHILDREN".
They were some of the best and most highly respected crew members in the C-17 community. So, before you go disparaging their memories so fast before even the wreckage has cooled off, why don't you wait to see what really happened?
Sorry, but I have several acquaintances who are C-17 and/or C-130 crew (those communities are very tight with each other and have a lot of cross pollination) and right now they're pretty devastated about this crash. I find it very irresponsible for you especially Leif to make such a cavalier statement at a time like this, especially making insinuations like yours without any background to support it at all.
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 01 Aug 2010, 02:08
by nigelb
Chris - WTF are you talking about?
Nigel²
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 01 Aug 2010, 03:40
by airboatr
right on cuz
wtf - over
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 01 Aug 2010, 05:39
by Chris Trott
Nigel, I'm on about Leif and Paul's attempts to link this accident to the crash of a B-52 at Fairchild AFB, WA, while practicing for an airshow where the pilot, a known "problem child", maneuvered the aircraft well outside it's operating envelope and crashed, killing all aboard.
Articles on the Crash and Holland (the "Problem Child")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairc ... B-52_crash
http://www.crm-devel.org/resources/pape ... rkblue.htm
Re: First fatal C-17 crash
Posted: 01 Aug 2010, 09:05
by SkippyBing
Yeah, the B-52 crash is used on various courses in the UK to demonstrate CRM and behavioral problems that can lead to accidents if not stopped, sooner rather than later. The operating pilot was known to be reckless and regularly broke the rules, not just in the aircraft but on the ground as well. To compare that accident to another without knowing the full facts is disparaging to the crew.
The fact is airshow flying has a higher accident rate and that includes rehearsals, but it doesn't preclude the chance of mechanical failure either.