Hairy Landing At Liverpool

[Ralphc]

Hello All...
Thought I'd share a couple of pics of my landing at EGGP in the Viking. Was about 60 miles (en route from the Isle of Man) out when the starboard engine decided to stop working ... Scanned the gauges and sure enough...Kaput..tried to do an engine re-start...no joy..so brought her in on one engine...just.. Still trying to figure out why it stopped.... Ironically, not being too familiar with this AC...when I came to brake and try to taxi...nearly got a somersault! The viking does not like hard braking. Enjoy... (Hope this works BTW )





Thanks
Ralphc

[Garry Russell]

Nice one Ralph

I thought the Viking had feathering props???

[Ralphc]

Hmm Gary.. Good point...
It has got a 'Fine Pitch Lock,' which I've just discovered (a bit too late by the looks of it ) Does the Feather Prop help cut down air resistance if an engine fails? If it does..would've been really useful, luckily I wasn't far off descent.

Don't think there's a Manual for this AC...so was flying it by the 'seat of my pants' so to speak. Not ideal I know, but got it up and down..sort of
Thanks
Ralph

[DaveB]

Hi Ralph..

Glad you managed to sort out posting pictures.. ones like this will do every day of the week

Can't think why one engine cut.. the Viking is pretty robust in this department In case you like to start from cold and have similar problems, be advised you need to keep tapping the starter until it fires. Clicking it once will turn the engine over but not enough to start it

The props can be (and are) feathered for exactly the reason you gave. The prop control basically turns the thin end of the prop into the wind to cut drag though even feathered, the Viking is a bit of a pig on one engine as you've found out Worse still is control on the ground with one engine which can only be described as.. interesting!
ATB
DaveB

[Ralphc]

Hi Dave...
Thank you for the compliment re: the pics ..With regard to the engine cutting out...maybe fuel? Loaded with 30% in all the tanks (was a short trip) Did get the 'Ctrl X' thing...but sort of ignored it Will need to go back and figure out the fuel transfer stuff...there is a facility/control for that I think.

What I did notice is the Viking can 'shift.' Read, it's capable of a climb rate of 1,500 fpm and it had a pretty nippy speed 210 mph Cruise and a max of 263 mph.

Worse still is control on the ground with one engine which can only be described as.. interesting! ATB

Affirmative Tried it...was all over the place...gave up in the end...would still be there. It's now parked on a strip of grass at EGGP awaiting a tow...
Best Wishes
Ralph

[DaveB]

I've done similar myself

You can't transfer fuel Ralph but you can crossfeed. To be honest, one engine shouldn't be able to empty it's tank in this way.. each engine feeds off it's own tanks eg, the LH engine uses the LH tanks and the RH engine uses the RH tanks. If for some reason you have a hole in a tank or one engine is burning much more fuel (unlikely but possible) you then use the crossfeed switch to let both engines run off the heavy side to stop either a fuel imbalance or to keep the engine with the empty tanks running. I don't suppose you have auto whatsit's turned on do you.. where the sim injects random failures?

ATB
DaveB

[Airspeed]

[quote="Ralphc"]Hi Dave...

What I did notice is the Viking can 'shift.' Read, it's capable of a climb rate of 1,500 fpm and it had a pretty nippy speed 210 mph Cruise and a max of 263 mph.[quote]

Hi Ralph .
I'm confused. I've loved the Viking ever since I was a kid, watching them from our garden near Northolt Aerodrome, and standing beside the A40 to see 'em up close landing. ( wide eyed awe)
My father was an aero engineer at Northolt, and felt that the Viking was ridiculously over-powered. This clashes with my experience of the CBFS Viking....it begrudgingly gets off the runway (sometimes) and once airborne, all it wants to do is flop down again. Maybe I have contaminated fuel.
Glad yours is going well!

[Garry Russell]

It's perhaps easy to forget how ancient this Viking is.

It goes back to the time when flight dynamics were not like they are nowadays

Better programming tools are available now as is much more information than was around then. In addition the skill and experience of developers has come a long way too.

Some inbuilt FS bugs have been overcome in recent years although many still remain.

Naturally, our standards of expectation have moved on which means that ground breaking models of ten or more years ago are not shining too brightly in the light of comparison.

The Viking is great, but just don't expect too much from it

As a model...it has cut windows and animated propeller pitch, too things than many models don't have even now

[DaveB]

I can only echo Garry's comments and as one of the handful of beta testers at the time, am as responsible as any of us for what you see before you 'I don't know much but I like simming' was certainly a good descriptive of me when the model was made for FS2002 but I hope I've improved a little since then

I agree with much of Mike's comments as it happens. If ever an aircraft warranted being called a gripper, the Viking fits the bill That said.. it's not that far off the numbers in this respect. Sitting with the PN's open in front of me, I quote 'The tail will come up by itself and the aircraft should be flown off at 90-95 knots at all loads'. It doesn't seem to matter if you're light or not.. it won't leave mother earth until it's good and ready and has to be flown off. The model is probably just outside the 90-95kts.. at the weights I fly at anyway. By 95kts it will start to accept it's going to have to fly and by 100kts, it'll be off With a reasonable headwind, you can cut 5kts off that

Once up and clean, it is, like the real thing, very over-powered.. too over-powered if anything.. maximum climb rate is easily achieveable at 2400rpm. Looking back through my recent flight notes.. I see I've been cruising at 8000ft 2378rpm at 1.6boost giving 165kias and a groundspeed of 212mph (target/normal prescribed cruise). It will fly at 212mph indicated at this height too with more emphasis on the throttles!

Anyway.. I must get back to my 707 crossing the Atlantic.. another aircraft that doesn't care to leave the ground much Incidentally, I was in Vagrant (AGRU) at Brooklands a fortnight ago. Coming on nicely but sadly, still some way off public viewing

ATB
DaveB

[Airspeed]

Woah Lads!
I wasn't criticising the flight dynamics. I only compared the reported climb and speed against my own experience.
Remember, I got myself into some rather warm water in my early days on this forum because I was too emphatic about my respect for you creative gurus.
I must give the three V sisters another airing, it's been too long.