Cold War Jets Open Day

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Re: Cold War Jets Open Day

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As far as I’m aware Cold War Jets (CWJ) is not an organisation in its own right. It’s the name of the yearly event held at Bruntingthorpe at which the numerous individual aircraft owners/operators combine to put on a show for the public. The show is not a profit making exercise and the gate fee goes towards maintaining and operating the aircraft and organising/running the day.

What amazes me about this incident is the self-righteous belief of some on other forums that they should have access the pictures and video and how dare ‘CWJ’ try to suppress them from being released.

What actually happened is; five-ten minutes after the incident the announcer asked (and I stress asked, not demanded) if the crowd would refrain from posting any media on the internet. It was felt that there was a very real chance doing so could jeopardise any future events.

That’s it, nothing more. They haven’t been pulling pictures and youtube videos of the net. How could they, they don’t have the Godlike power of some black ops government agency.

No, instead the ‘Cover up’ actually appears to be the collective decision of the crowd to observe the polite request. They own the copyright to their photos/video, they decide whether or not to release their media into the public domain . . . and they’ve decided not to.

As a result those demanding that they have a right to see these photos/video can bleat all they want. Sorry, but no you're not entitled to see them and it’s got nothing to do with the omnipotent ‘CWJ’. You’ll just have to respect the decision of the copyright holders.

(I must at this point add that I myself asked Tweek if he would PM me his photos after he initially offered them out (try finding that post, another example of the power of CWJ even in our quiet back water, Mwwahhh ha ha :000: ). However, he’d had a rethink and rescinded the offer. That’s his right to do so, and I understand and respect his decision.)

Amazingly, as far as I can see, only three individuals out of the thousands present on Saturday have seen fit to post their photos. One of those, a member of the Beech Restoration Group based at Brunters, rapidly removed his picture from the Flypast forum. The only reason he’d had posted was because he was at the ‘Beech Boys’ hangar and therefore out of earshot of the loudspeaker.

Finally I’d say that the organisers (probably ad hoc) request appears to have done the job. Although in our world the various forums catering to our interest are understandably awash with ‘Victor Airborne’ the incident hasn’t made it into the real news. Two days after the event I suspect it now wont having already become old news (Unless of course the Daily Mail get wind of it and then we’re done for!!!! :doho: ).

Alex

PS. The youtube video linked to by Tony depicts the incident exactly as I remember it!!! :lol:
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Chris,

You're fooling noboby, that's not a Victor it's clearly an Ekranoplan!!! :lol:

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Yeh I know, the Caspian sea monster!! :lol:
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Excellent guys....one thing i really like about this thread is its kept civil , polite , informative and at times funny....thanks for making this site a pleasure to visit folks..... :thumbsup:

And enjoy this Vid of some low flying Aircraft...a few i haven't seen before....enjoy.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=e ... re=related

Only coz it has a low Flying Victor in it.... ;-)

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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... -taxi.html

Yes, there's photos.

In light of this article, UKAR have lifted their restrictions on posting such photos, so you may see a few crop up over there during the next few days. I'm on a terrible mobile internet connection, so you might not see mine until the weekend.

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Cheers Tweek.....Now i am no expert on judging height....but she sure looked a tad over the "20 to 30ft" that we heard she managed.... :) Check the sunny Brunty posts... ;-)

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AlexP wrote:As far as I’m aware Cold War Jets (CWJ) is not an organisation in its own right. It’s the name of the yearly event held at Bruntingthorpe at which the numerous individual aircraft owners/operators combine to put on a show for the public. The show is not a profit making exercise and the gate fee goes towards maintaining and operating the aircraft and organising/running the day.

What amazes me about this incident is the self-righteous belief of some on other forums that they should have access the pictures and video and how dare ‘CWJ’ try to suppress them from being released.

What actually happened is; five-ten minutes after the incident the announcer asked (and I stress asked, not demanded) if the crowd would refrain from posting any media on the internet. It was felt that there was a very real chance doing so could jeopardise any future events.
:o :o

Alex, Alex! Calm down! :lol: ;-)
Seriously, we should not be concerned here what is posted on other forums.... let them be relegated to the depths of your average Youtube comments poster! ;-)

Seriously, any even organisers have the right to say (preferably beforehand) 'No photography, video or sound recording'.
BUT, and the but is - asking people NOT to publish shots was a little like shutting the stable doors after the horse was out at full gallop. IF any repercussions were to follow, would people's photos really nail the deal?

Example: lets' say it's illegal to dress as a court jester in public, but, one night I decide to do so, and prance around in front of DaveB's hostelry. Then Dave and some of his punters get the glass out and start taking a few photos. I'm not 100% sure I'll get away with it, as I'm wearing a Scottish jesters' outfit :roll: - but I will need to see what the Marshal says.. so I ask DaveB and his punters not to publish any pictures, or I might not be able to dance for them next year. Now - I reluctantly go to the Sheriff's office and admit I got a little carried away. No harm done, it was late and no kids or too many elderly people saw me in 'full flight'. So, I've come clean - but what point did I have in asking not to show any pics?
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Re: Cold War Jets Open Day

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Cheers Tweek.....Now i am no expert on judging height....but she sure looked a tad over the "20 to 30ft" that we heard she managed.... :) Check the sunny Brunty posts...
I thought that initially, but if you compare the apparent height to the wingspan it's probably about a quarter of that which is in the 20 to 30 ft bracket, possibly on the higher side. Obviously I did this with my fingers and the aircraft's shadow as a ground reference point, which I don't believe is an approved forensic technique!!
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Sod the Victor...I want to see Jim in that Jester outfit....! ! !

PLEASE.... :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

:lol:

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Re: Cold War Jets Open Day

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Techy111 wrote:Sod the Victor...I want to see Jim in that Jester outfit....! ! !

PLEASE.... :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

:lol:

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Perhaps a bad choice for comparison. Must be all the times Samantha calls me a 'Clown' :lol:
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